RE: The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!!
September 19, 2019 at 6:00 pm
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2019 at 6:01 pm by mordant.)
(September 19, 2019 at 11:50 am)Jehanne Wrote:(September 19, 2019 at 11:27 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: The gospels are not independent (nor are they sources, they are the claim), the TF is an interpolation. Tacitus mentions christians and what they believed.
There is every reason to believe that the chirst of the new testament is a mythical person....even if there were some guy named joe. Joe aint christ.
I neglected to mention Paul, in what are universally recognized by scholars in his 7 authentic New Testament epistles, also mentions Jesus.
Paul has a very different conception from the gospels, of a celestial Jesus, revealed and informed not via an earthly ministry or the testimony of what should have been then-living eyewitnesses, but a heavenly vision or dream -- claimed direct revelation to him personally.
There was no established orthodoxy for Christianity in the 1st century. The gospels, written more than a generation after Paul's letters even if we accept the most common dating, were an attempt to codify such an orthodoxy. But it would take about 300 more years for it to triumph, in particular over gnosticism. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Paul was an early gnostic or even the originator of the concept.
Finally ... if the gospels are the claim and not the evidence, so is the rest of the NT including Paul's writings. The Acts of the Apostles references Jesus too. So what? All that stuff is fabulist fan fiction. What is needed is independent, preferably hostile, secular sources referencing Jesus. What we have is a forged "pious fraud" in Josephus and stuff like Tacitus that refers to the cult, not its leader.
