RE: What is the biggest thing that theist do that annoy you?
October 18, 2011 at 9:56 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2011 at 10:00 am by lucent.)
(October 18, 2011 at 9:01 am)Ace Otana Wrote:Quote:I knew one of you was going to try to debunk my entire list.Someone must challenge you.
Quote:You just missed the point. I understand that you want to lash out at Christians, but if you want to claim Christians behave badly and act the same way, that makes you a hypocrite.I never stated all Christians behave badly. I stated that people don't like being threatened. Christians have been known to do a lot of that. Show hatred and you'll have hatred in return.
Quote:I don't believe, which also means I lack that belief. They are the same thing.
If you don't believe something is true, you are making a claim: "It isn't true. If you lack a belief in something you are not making any claims. I don't believe there is any truly natural standpoint of belief, however.
Quote:Yes, of course. Through feeling and personal experience. Can't quite give us evidence though. Feelings and personal experience aren't worth anything. They are unreliable and have no explanatory power or value.
What I've said I will say again. If you pray to Jesus, and say something like "Jesus, if you're real, I want to know about it. If you are God, please come into my life and I will turn it over to you." If you can say those words and mean them, Jesus will reveal Himself to you. If you can't be bothered to take five minutes out of your life to try that, then obviously you're not interested in the truth. Only God can prove His own existence, I can only point towards Him.
Quote:Sure, but not 100% certain.
Then stop claiming I am wrong. You just admitted you don't know that.
Quote:No, it's through observation and testing that we can view the results. That's how it works. No bias, no personal feelings. Just pure hard data. Better than anything you can give, by far. Also, the evidence is publicly verifiable, which means anyone can check it out. If you think it's wrong, demonstrate it. That's the beauty of science baby!
Well, what you said is just totally untrue. Data is indeed interpreted. Here is a quick example for you:
http://synthese.wordpress.com/2010/09/26...terpreted/
Quote:Why should I continue to waste my time and energy on educating you? You have any idea how many times I've repeated myself. How many times ignorant people like yourself who can't be fucked to do anything themselves. If you want scientific answers, go get them. I'm not a dog, I don't play fetch, I'm not a teacher. Get off your arse and do it yourself. I didn't ask people online to teach me all the things I know now, I taught myself.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Science+on+morality
Hah. Perhaps you misunderstood. I am saying those truths are unprovable by science. I am not asking you to do research for me; I've already done the research. I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about if you think that science can explain everything. What I've done is undermine this claim by showing you half a dozen kinds of truth that science can say nothing about. So, maybe you should get off your "arse" and start researching because your faith in science is misplaced. Your link leads to ethical naturalism, which isn't science, it is a philosophical discipline. Try again?
Quote:Well if they think they 'know' they can go fucking prove it. I think it's really arrogant to pretend to know anything. If you think you know, demonstrate it.
Again, you can prove it to yourself quite easily. I cannot conclusively prove the existence of God; only God can do that.
Quote:Look it up.
Doesn't cover origins now does it?
Quote:Name them.
The regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot for starters. Hitler was a social darwinist.
Quote:Total bullshit. You really need to do some reading of history. You want me to google that for you to?
No, but I would appreciate it if you took the time to comprehend what I am saying before you go off the cuff. I never said that cultures universally adhere to those standards, but in general civilizations have followed the same basic rules and that people know when they are violating those rules.
Quote:Ignorant of history, check.
Prove me wrong.
Quote:Your 'truth' you mean? What you believe to be true, even though you're most likely wrong.
The truth. And you don't know if I am wrong or not.
(October 18, 2011 at 8:52 am)ElDinero Wrote:(October 18, 2011 at 7:05 am)lucent Wrote: I don't have to prove anything in this thread. Feel free to prove any of those truths I listed scientifically though. While you're at it, you can tell me all about the origin of life..
Sorry, go again? You want me to prove the truths that YOU listed? Are you sure about that? What is it you're asking me to prove scientifically?
As an example of you misrepresenting the views of atheists, your statement that we say we don't know how life started or how the universe started but say that God didn't do it is completely false. It is usually said that there is no evidence to point to God doing it. This is where you do have to prove something. We don't know everything about those things, and neither do you, or any other believer.
You, like many theists, think that if we don't have the answers to absolutely everything right now, that means there's something wrong. So you put God in there. This is called a God of the Gaps argument. Like how God was assumed to be in charge of lightning, before we discovered how it happens and were able to harness it. As scientific discovery expands, God finds less and less gaps to jump in. Maybe one day there'll come a time when he runs out of all scientific gaps, and then all you'll be able to say is 'I have faith'. Your faith is worthless.
You don't have gaps, you have grand caynons. It was science who came along and said it had a better explanation and then failed to provide one. And it isn't a God of the gaps argument is design and creation is a better explanation for the evidence. For instance, the DNA molecule. It contains coded information which has syntax, grammar, phoenetics, symbolic language, words and sentences. It is digital information and information only comes from minds. There is no naturalistic explanation to account for it. That's just one example.