(October 18, 2011 at 10:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote: The truth. And you don't know if I am wrong or not.Like I said, your 'truth'. You can call it whatever you want. It don't make you right. Those who profess to be most right are often most wrong.
Calling something the 'Truth' don't make it so. It doesn't make it any more true in anyway.
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Quote:I don't believe in Santa either, am I claiming something there to? Think you're confusing the - I don't believe in X with: I know there isn't X.
Demonstrate how it's a claim to not believe in something.
By saying you don't believe there is a Santa, you are making a claim that Santa doesn't exist
By saying you lack a belief in Santa, you are not making a claim to whether Santa exists or not
Quote:Am I also expected to perform rituals in ever other religion just to find out if it's true or not? Even if I was retarded enough to do what you say, I'm pretty sure nothing would happen. I'm firmly with science, not superstitious nonsense. Now, it's your beliefs, you back them up.
I'm not expected to do anything. The burden is not on me.
We're not addressing other religions, we're addressing Christianity. God has said that He will only reveal Himself to those who dilligently seek Him. So I can only point to Him:
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
So it to you to verify this claim, and I have told you a simple way you can do that. It is surely worth your time. You say you're "pretty sure" but in actuality you don't know.
Quote:What part of publicly verifiable didn't you get? If we have evidence of an object like a ball, something that can be observed, measured and verified then that is evidence that there is in fact ball. Opinion/points of view means fuck all. Though I guess evidence means fuck all to you.
Raw data must be interpreted within the confines of the theories which make predictions about its behavior. There is no such thing as theory free observation. Please read this to clear up your ignorance: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scienc...servation/
Quote:I never stated that science can explain everything, care to quote me? I go where the evidence points. Science is a method, a tried and tested method that works. Get over it.
I thought you did, perhaps I am wrong. In any case, I have demonstrated a weakness in scientific theory, especially when it pertains to answering any fundemental questions about life or origins.
Quote:Then I'll wait for him to prove himself. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
If there is a God, wouldn't you want to know?
Quote:Abiogenises then, other than that I don't know. I'm not afraid to admit not knowing something pal!
Abiogenesis is metaphysics. They did an experiment back in the 50's or 60's to try and generate life from non-life..it didn't work. Their favorite pet theory today is to forgo trying to explain how it happened and posit that a meteorite came by and seeded life. That's desperation.
Quote:Stalin was a corrupt dictator and had killed people for reasons other than religion. I hate the guy as much as the next one, however I can't see how that has anything to do with atheism.
Communism was predicted on dialectical materialistic atheism. It all stemmed from marxism. Here are some quotes:
"The Communist Party of the Soviet Union is guided by the conviction that only conscious and deliberate planning of all the social and economic activities of the masses will cause religious prejudices to die out. The Party strives for the complete dissolution of the ties between the exploiting classes and the organizations of religious propaganda, facilitates the real emancipation of the working masses from religious prejudices and organizes the widest possible scientific educational and anti-religious propaganda." (1918)
"The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared, is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach (first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany—a materialism which is absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion." The Attitude of the Workers’ Party to Religion, 1909
"Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man."
Quote:Don't know much about mao apart from the fact he was also a communist. Which both he and stalin were communists.
In the final analysis, this is also true of the imperialist and capitalist systems, which are bound to be replaced in the end by the socialist system. The same applies to ideology, idealism will be replaced by materialism and theism by atheism. Here we are speaking of the strategic objective." Mao, 1957
Quote:Hitler was a Catholic. He in fact went to church regularly. Nazi belts had religious content on them.
Hitler would certainly put on that show, but this is how he really felt:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)
19th October, 1941, night
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
Quote:It's called law. Also morality existed long before your religion mate. Morality can easily come from intelligence. Not from some book written by people who knew nothing of the natural world.
Yes, Gods law. The Universality of our basic moral code suggests transcendent and absolute values, which we know by our conscience.
Quote:Like I said, your 'truth'. You can call it whatever you want. It don't make you right. Those who profess to be most right are often most wrong.
One of us is right, and one of us is wrong. That is truth.