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Another question for Christians
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RE: Another question for Christians
(October 18, 2011 at 9:26 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(October 18, 2011 at 12:27 am)Godschild Wrote: To forgive someone you have to humble yourself and not think yourself above the offender, this is true forgiveness.

I'm tempted to label this a "non-sequitur" but perhaps you can explain why forgiveness = thinking yourself equal or holding a grudge = thinking yourself superior. And maybe we can tie all that into the prerequisite ritual of bleeding on a cross?

Christ lowered Himself to the status of a man, Christ said that He came not to be served but to serve. See any similarity between this statement and my above statement.
To hold a grudge against someone a person believes he/she is superior to the offender, this is a natural thing with humans, also the offender feels superior to the one offended, that's the result of an action that offends.To forgive should not necessarily mean the offender ask for forgiveness, true forgiveness is given not asked for, for that to happen one will have to humble him/herself and leave the feeling of superiority behind. Christ dying on the cross was not a ritual, He humbly bleed to death for us, He gave us forgiveness by humility.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 16, 2011 at 7:25 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 16, 2011 at 7:38 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 16, 2011 at 9:17 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 16, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 17, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 17, 2011 at 12:22 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 17, 2011 at 12:22 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 17, 2011 at 3:16 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 17, 2011 at 8:53 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by salty - October 24, 2011 at 10:38 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 24, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Ace Otana - October 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 24, 2011 at 2:35 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Ace Otana - October 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 24, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 24, 2011 at 2:04 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2011 at 10:07 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2011 at 12:36 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 17, 2011 at 12:40 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by salty - October 19, 2011 at 5:12 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2011 at 3:21 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 17, 2011 at 6:20 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by KichigaiNeko - October 17, 2011 at 6:25 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 17, 2011 at 6:39 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 17, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2011 at 8:58 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 17, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 17, 2011 at 4:09 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 18, 2011 at 12:27 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by KichigaiNeko - October 18, 2011 at 2:46 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 18, 2011 at 9:26 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Godschild - October 18, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 18, 2011 at 8:30 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 20, 2011 at 11:24 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 21, 2011 at 3:20 am
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RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2011 at 3:51 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 17, 2011 at 4:13 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 17, 2011 at 8:15 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by CoxRox - October 18, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2011 at 10:35 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 18, 2011 at 12:04 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by 5thHorseman - October 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 18, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by ElDinero - October 18, 2011 at 5:29 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by CoxRox - October 19, 2011 at 4:53 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 19, 2011 at 5:55 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by IATIA - October 19, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 18, 2011 at 5:43 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by ElDinero - October 18, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by IATIA - October 18, 2011 at 5:56 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Erinome - October 18, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by Killman - October 19, 2011 at 5:05 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by CoxRox - October 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 24, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 21, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cinjin - October 21, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by CoxRox - October 21, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 21, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by DeistPaladin - October 21, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by KichigaiNeko - October 19, 2011 at 6:54 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 19, 2011 at 8:54 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 19, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Ace Otana - October 21, 2011 at 5:34 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2011 at 6:54 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 21, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by ElDinero - October 22, 2011 at 12:06 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2011 at 4:29 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Zen Badger - October 22, 2011 at 7:03 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Ace Otana - October 22, 2011 at 7:10 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Captain Scarlet - October 22, 2011 at 7:20 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 24, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by fr0d0 - October 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Zen Badger - October 25, 2011 at 9:00 am
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RE: Another question for Christians - by Welsh cake - October 22, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 22, 2011 at 7:15 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by ElDinero - October 22, 2011 at 7:34 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 24, 2011 at 10:43 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 24, 2011 at 10:51 am
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RE: Another question for Christians - by frankiej - October 24, 2011 at 11:01 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 24, 2011 at 11:29 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 24, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 24, 2011 at 4:12 pm
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RE: Another question for Christians - by KichigaiNeko - October 25, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by salty - October 27, 2011 at 10:05 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 11:02 am
RE: Another question for Christians - by Minimalist - October 25, 2011 at 4:42 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by Cyberman - October 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 4:50 pm
RE: Another question for Christians - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm
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