RE: My argument for atheism +
November 26, 2019 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2019 at 9:16 pm by Abaddon_ire.)
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote:We get it already. You are a christian pretending not to be. Give it up.(November 22, 2019 at 10:22 pm)Tom Fearnley Wrote: My counter for atheism that beats all arguments for God: God doesn't have a brain or neurons - he's immaterial not made of matter or energy - so how can he think thoughts or have knowledge?
I suspect that there are a lot of Christian fundamentalists today who assume that God thinks in the way that people think. So if you're arguing against those people, what you say makes sense: it is impossible to think in the way that people think if you don't have the brains that people have.
In fact I think this is a pretty obvious argument -- so obvious that no philosopher or theologian from at least the time of Plato has asserted that God thinks in the way that people think.
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Have you read Plato's Parmenides?No why the fuck should I? Why should anyone?
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: As far as I can tell, this is the earliest written argument stating that God is absolutely simple. It says God doesn't "have" thoughts in the way that people have thoughts. It's a very difficult dialogue, and people continue to interpret it in different ways. However it has been enormously influential among people who think about God, following the Neoplatonic tradition (like that of Plotinus), and that tradition as it enters Christianity with Dionysius and Augustine. Theologians and philosophers who are not specifically Neoplatonic, as well (like Aquinas and Spinoza) also hold that God is absolutely simple, having no parts, and is absolutely impassible, having no changes or developments. So among any Christian who has studied these things, your argument that God couldn't possibly think in the way that people think would be old news -- dealt with millennia ago.Jebus H. Spaghetti monster. You are a christian. Why are you ashamed of it?
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Without a brain or neurons he couldn't create a universe or create anything else.Really? Demonstrate that claim. Good luck.
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Here again you're assuming that a God would be like a big person, and could only create in the way that a person creates. So if the sola scriptura literalists at your local church are thinking in this way, you could present your argument there. (Not that they'd listen, probably.)Another bucket of wild claims with absolutely no evidence.
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Maybe you yourself picture God in this way? I think it would be common among Sunday School kids or people who just haven't bothered to study the subject.You are fixated on people somehow "picturing" gods. Why? I have no picture of any god. None have been demonstrated. As soon as one rocks up, then fine so long as there is sufficient evidence. What it might look like? I have no clue. Tell me what a "god" should look like.
(November 26, 2019 at 5:53 pm)Belacqua Wrote: So when you say your argument "beats all arguments" for God, that may be true, if you ignore all the arguments ever made by any well-known theologian for the last 2500 years.Oh, so in 2500 years you have no argument worth tuppence. You have no evidence either. Is anyone supposed to be impressed? By something? Anything?
ETA: Oh, it might be that some consider that harsh. Well, sorry. I have accumulated sufficient mileage to have little tolerance of blatant dishonesty. A spade is a spade. Let's not dance around the facts.