Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not always.  Radiation treatments and chemotherapy are done consciously and cause harm and affect well-being.  In fact, they cause so much harm that a certain percentage of patients give up on the treatment and let the cancer take its course. Is using these methods to treat cancer patients an immoral act?

Things aren't as black and white as you seem to think.

Boru

Fair point. 
In trying to think of a counter claim to my own argument I thought the best way would be to find something with the definition i used for an immoral act

Is deliberately starting a bushfire an immoral act? It's causing harm to plant and creatures
But if it's controlled back burning done to better manage real fires then it's not immoral
Im sure there would be more examples along those lines

But the main strength of that moral argument is the pain. It's immoral to inflict pain on humans weather they are old, young or unborn. Pain is pain

Even if u disagree u have to admit its a sound moral argument. 

Talk to me also about my social argument about safe sex and responsibility. 
Ultimately that is what is causing so many unwanted pregnancies these days and STDs so more thought needs to be put into fixing the cause as well i think

We need Greta Thunberg to scare the world into using condoms... LoL... How dare you

I don’t think your ‘argument from pain’ is either strong or sound, because inflicting pain may - in a given situation - be the preferred moral choice. And if a foetus were anesthetized before the procedure, would the abortion then be moral?

I’m not sure that we’d have a lot to talk about regarding your social argument, as I agree with you. I’ve already said that birth control should be free to anyone who asks for it.

What does Ms. Thunberg have to do with this discussion?

Boru