RE: Here is why you should believe in God.
April 5, 2020 at 10:19 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2020 at 10:19 am by R00tKiT.)
(April 5, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: OFC inference is reasonable. No one is arguing that point, lol?
Then why don't you go with it? It's definitely more reasonable than claming that our laws arose spontaneously from symmetry

(April 5, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't even know why you're bitching about biology, here. The point of the principle being tautologically true..as you sought to "correct" me, is that -no matter- how we got here, our being here necessitates the requirements of our existence being met. Our sheer existence is incapable of certifying any particular way that we got here.
I didn't correct you on the tautology, pal. I said it's an empty sentence. Namely, it's doesn't undermine the inference you just agreed with me about. Our sheer existence requires an uncaused cause, it's an arguable position. We're contingent beings, after all.
(April 5, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That is the specific inference that is not reasonable, upon which this particular non reason of yours rests.
You could've said that if we were some unidimensional spots in some Nokia snake game. You have a fucking DNA, an actual encoded information, instructions on what a cell should build. A whole detailed manual in every cell of your body. Doesn't that justify the inference? If it doesn't, then your position is not falsifiable, no amount of precision will convince you that the entire thing was engineered.
(April 5, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It may in fact be that because of this you believe in a god (it isn't, Im just being nice - somebody told you that a magic book was true and you went with it, that's why you believe, lol
Here's why I believe, I'm waiting for someone to pick an option;
(April 4, 2020 at 7:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: A sidenote on the Qur'anic revelation;
There is only one question a skeptic should be concerned about when investigating the truth of Islam, that is, of Muhammad's extraordinary claims; which is : what happened to Muhammad[PBUH] in the Hira cave ? The latter being where Muslims believe he literally met a supernatual creature [for the first time].
The story of the first revelation goes as follows : during one such occasion while he was in contemplation, an angel appeared before him and said, "Read", upon which he replied, "I am unable to read". Thereupon the angel caught hold of him and embraced him heavily. This happened two more times after which the angel commanded Muhammad t
Perplexed by this new experience, Muhammad made his way to home where he was consoled by his wife, who also took him to her Ebionite cousin Waraqah', who was a Christian. Islamic tradition holds that Waraqah, upon hearing the description, testified to Muhammad's prophethood.
There are only four options ;
1) Muhammad faked the event, including the replies from the supposed angel, AND his reaction when he came back to his wife. Subsequently, he mastered the craft of pretending to receive revelation, delude crowds of people, make them conduct wars in the name of a huge scam, including relatives of his, who knew him before he started claiming prophecy. That is, he lied knowingly to everyone he's met or known before for a full twenty three years.
2) A medical condition, such as temporal lobe epilepsy, made Muhammad imagine supernatural beings AND be able to utter spontaneously the literary achievement called the Qur'an. He was absolutely convinced and honest in his preachings.
3) The entire story of revelation is made up. Muhammad might have never existed. Everything about him, including his teachings, legacy, conquests, was a colossal historical invention.
4) He really received revelation from a deity
I am curious to know which option members here will pick.
(April 5, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why, you're telling me you have good reasons that I should believe in a god, not that you have good reasons to think that this universe has a cause. I think that too, and have actual good reasons to think so....none of which involve or require a god of any kind.
It's not really that different. You can pick your own label for an uncaused, eternal, personal cause, we just happen to usually call it god.