(May 7, 2020 at 7:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(May 7, 2020 at 7:42 pm)masoni Wrote: god here = the superstitious being or the superstitious killer in the religious scripts.
the point i’m making is that the bible(and many other “religious” texts,) cannot be relied on to reveal what or who god is or how god wishes for us to conduct ourselves if we take its words at literal face value.
Well, if you're defining God that way, then you've included the conclusion in the definition.
That's why most Christians in history have not read the Old Testament at literal face value. They've devoted a lot of effort to figuring out who god is or how he wishes us to conduct ourselves, beyond literal readings.
time and time again jesus clearly states that the old laws are not to change, and that he has come to uphold these laws. so all murder, slavery, childabuse and so forth should still apply.
without old testament jesus = nothing.
jesus is slightly different. it’s not so much that jesus ran around smiting and killing in full unrighteousness, like the god of the old testament. it’s a combination of several other things.Let's just assume jesus existed for argument's sake.
he was the one who introduced the concept of a hell, which is probably the sickest idea of all. yes the god of the old testament spent all of his time killing and urging his people on through acts of genocide – but there was no punishment for the dead, until the ‘gentle’ jesus came along and picked the slack up from where his father left off.to this day, this hell concept has been responsible for the mental abuse of countless children and adults alike.
the idea that there’s a set of rules (immoral ones) that one must not break, and if you break these, no matter how trivial, nonsensical or absurd they may be; with ‘not loving him’ being the number one crime, you will be punished and tormented for eternity. it’s morally abominable.
