RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 5:02 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2020 at 5:10 pm by Agnostico.)
(May 9, 2020 at 4:18 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(May 9, 2020 at 3:55 pm)Agnostico Wrote: That's a good point. Any kind of dissent is either taken to the gulag or disappears
I recently found myself asking what the difference is between the communist and socialist economic structures
What I found is that we use the terms incorrectly, especially communism. There has never really been a communist country even though thats what we called the old Russians. Some dictionary definitions also has things mixed up
In a capitalist society the big money industries are owned by private entities
In a socialist society the big money industries are owned by the state
Communism is a Marx concept of a utopia. It says that the public have equal shares in companies whose profits are equally divided
Eg. A company has 100 employees. They all have an equal share in the company and earn an equal slice of the profit.
Weather or not it could ever work is an interesting discussion
Then there is fascism. Its sits on the right hand side of the political spectrum which i don't really understand why
It's economical structure is the same as socialism with the state owning the big industries. So is it a form of socialism
I heard someone say "socialism is when the state dominates industry and Fascism is when industry dominates the state"
I don't really see much ideological differences either, both are very nationalist. Maybe someone here can better explain the differences between fascism and socialism
These are very basic definitions as the subject gets really complex
I think that when socialists want the electric company (for example) to be owned by the state, they're thinking of the state as being the representatives of we the people.
In that case, the people own the electric company, but random individuals can't run something big like that, so our representatives do it for us. This is different from private ownership in that all the benefits of the company should go to the people. It is democratic at its base, because while regular people don't make day to day decisions in the factory, it is run for them and they can vote out the operators.
In fascism the state and the government work together for the good of the owners and industrialists. The benefits go to the powerful people and the little people have no say (or just get murdered).
Thats not my understanding of Marx's interpretation. When i say the state that is the same thing as saying the government
The term democratic doesn't refer to the economical structure. It's a reference to the system used to elect a leader. Tyranny would be the opposite or dictatorship
(May 9, 2020 at 4:20 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ‘Fascist’ is what social democrats call democratic socialists.
‘Socialist’ is what fascists call social democrats.
‘Communist’ is what conservatives call fascists and socialists.
Boru
What about capitalist? LoL. Getting more complicated there but true i think.
I'll try find this short 3min video which is cool
I notice in the USA the left have started to call themselves socialists and refer to Scandinavian countries as socialists despite them always saying their not
I think its being used now for a more state owned system. The more industries the state owns the closer to socialism they are...