RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 5:57 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2020 at 7:41 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:That's a good point. Any kind of dissent is either taken to the gulag or disappearsThat's not socialism
Quote:I recently found myself asking what the difference is between the communist and socialist economic structuresFirst what kind of socialism or communism are we talking about? But overall all the biggest difference is Socialism tends toward maintaining capitalist structures while simply democratizing it .Socialist don't tend to believe in revolutionary change instead opting to integrate into the preexisting system.Oh and socialist still accept class and hierarchy though they make moves to minimize it .Communism by contrast argues for a ceasing (unless your a pacifist ) means of production through revolution and then Communism can really go many routes it can go the authoritarian route like Sovietism or it can go a Libertarian route of were all business become worker communes independent of the government practicing workplace democracy and competing in a market system or some variation between the two
Quote:In a capitalist society the big money industries are owned by private entitiesDepends on the form of capitalist .State capitalism is a thing.
Quote:In a socialist society the big money industries are owned by the stateDepending on the kind of socialism . Anarcho Socialism exists
Quote:Communism is a Marx concept of a utopia. It says that the public have equal shares in companies whose profits are equally dividedNo it isn't. Marx made it clear not everyone would the same amount nor could they make the same amount .
Quote:Eg. A company has 100 employees. They all have an equal share in the company and earn an equal slice of the profit.This isn't what Marx believed
Quote:Weather or not it could ever work is an interesting discussionIt can't which is why Marx didn't believe it
Quote:Then there is fascism. Its sits on the right hand side of the political spectrum which i don't really understand whyCommunism is the opposite of nationalist it's globalist . Fascist countries had private ownership .Fascism is pro class and hierarchy Communism is classless . Fascism is against organized labourer. Fascism is always authoritarian while Communism aims for ultimately anarchist system . Fascism always has an underlining racialism to it Communism argues race is a false hierarchy (though Communist countries sure as hell didn't practice this)
It's economical structure is the same as socialism with the state owning the big industries. So is it a form of socialism
I heard someone say "socialism is when the state dominates industry and Fascism is when industry dominates the state"
I don't really see much ideological differences either, both are very nationalist. Maybe someone here can better explain the differences between fascism and socialism
Quote:These are very basic definitions as the subject gets really complexYou were not even close
(May 9, 2020 at 5:56 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:If a dictator kills you fo an unjust law it's still murder(May 7, 2020 at 4:47 pm)masoni Wrote: he says,you shall not kill,but he kills.
he contradicts himself
No, he says that you shall not commit murder. God has made it very clear that the penalty for sin is death, therefor transgressing a law punishable by death is not murder.
(May 9, 2020 at 5:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote:A lot of this we seem to agree on(May 9, 2020 at 4:58 pm)masoni Wrote: in our age, we have Fundamental Christians who firmly believe that before the end of the world occurs, they will be raptured up into the clouds to be reunited with jesus in heaven and thus, spared the discomfort of torture, ravenous locusts, plagues and the incineration of large portions of the earth. on the other hand, you have certain right-wing, fundamental islamics who are brought up believing that those who die while defending god’s edicts will be rewarded with an indescribable paradise which includes more willing virgins than currently live upon our planet. and both these groups are more than willing to bring doom down on the rest of us poor suckers just so they can enjoy their promised rewards!
That's true. In our age, those two groups exist.
The point I've been making is that lots of other religious groups exist as well.
You are a cafeteria atheist, because you pick out only the two groups you dislike and pretend that's all there is to religion.
(May 9, 2020 at 5:02 pm)Agnostico Wrote: Thats not my understanding of Marx's interpretation. When i say the state that is the same thing as saying the government
I mean it that way too: the state = the government.
And of course in our time we think of the government as being over and above the people, not responsive to our needs. But in socialism the government is the people, working for the people. The people own the electric company, the state is representatives of the people who manage the company.
Insofar as government manages public institutions NOT for the good of the people (i.e. for the good of someone else), it isn't socialist.
Quote:The term democratic doesn't refer to the economical structure. It's a reference to the system used to elect a leader. Tyranny would be the opposite or dictatorship
That's true. Socialism is about economic issues, and democracy is about decision-making.
But in socialist institutions, decisions are made democratically.
So for example if the electric company is socialist, our representatives manage it and if we don't like their management we can vote them out. On a more local scale, the public schools are socialist and we elect the people on the school board.
If the electric company is privatized and operated primarily for the profits of the owners, the people can't vote to change the policies. If the schools are taken over by the Bill Gates Foundation or something, then Bill Gates decides the curriculum and we can't vote him out.
The ideological movement in the US to privatize everything is a movement toward tyranny. It is creeping fascism, because it puts power into the hands of government/industry alliances, and takes it away from voters.
(May 9, 2020 at 5:12 pm)Agnostico Wrote: A nice brief 3 minute explanationThis video is laughably simplistic
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–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM