RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 3:07 am
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2020 at 3:08 am by Fake Messiah.)
(May 31, 2020 at 2:30 am)brokenreflector Wrote: Also, your atheism renders the second explanation in my original post logically incoherent. This leaves you with two logically incoherent explanations for the origin of all things.
Actually it is you who has failed to prove that your God exists. Even at the best outcome for you that God created the universe, it tells us nothing in particular about this alleged god-being. There is certainly nothing about Christian theology in the argument; this god could exist but yet be the Muslim god or one of the Hindu gods or a Greek or Norse or Native American or any other god, or it could be an impersonal energy or the devil. In fact, it does not even insist that this god exists now but that it existed at the beginning. It does not prove there is a god today, and nor can it prove there is a god like the Theists, let alone the Christians, envision.
To make matters even worse for you are advances in our scientific understanding of the world have thrown the very notion of cause into question. Particularly the discovery of the quantum nature of subatomic reality has substituted a statistical probability view of events for the old familiar deterministic or 'causal' one. ln other words, where it has been traditionally argued that some prior condition A is necessary and sufficient for (the 'cause' of) event B, quantum physics shows us, with great predictive accuracy, that no particular prior condition is either necessary or sufficient for some physical events such as radioactive decay, the behavior of electrons and photons, and potentially for the appearance of the physical universe itself out of a background of quantum fluctuations. As physicist Victor Stenger has stated, "In the quantum world ... things can simply happen ... I have shown that directional causality, or causal precedence, is in fact a classical, macroscopic concept that does not apply at the fundamental level of elementary particle interactions, where fundamental interactions make no distinction between cause and effect". In such a view of reality, a 'cause' is neither always adequate to explain an event — even the big event.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"