RE: God Exists
May 31, 2020 at 7:26 am
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2020 at 7:27 am by possibletarian.)
(May 31, 2020 at 4:10 am)brokenreflector Wrote: That's plainly false. A being who created all of matter and energy would need to be non-physical
Firstly you cannot show it was created at all, and even if it were true that being created it, why would it have to be non/physical to create a universe ?
Unless you can show our universe is the only matter and energy in existence.
Quote:and space-less.
Why ?
Quote:A being who created all of matter and energy would need to be at least powerful and intelligent enough to create a universe like ours.
Unless you can demonstrate nothing existed before the universe it may have been natural causes, in fact it would question everything you have said about the definitions of your god, and why would intelligence be needed ?
Quote:A being who created space-time would need to be timeless.
We don't know there was a being who created space time. Maybe it didn't need creating , or B Theory time is true, which is becoming a more popular way to describe time.
Quote:Finally, the finitude of the universe suggests that the being chose to create it;
How ?
Quote:otherwise, the effect (the universe) would have been past-eternal like its cause is.
Again why ? you assume one cause, there could be many and again if B -theory time is correct as many physicist believes it could be, then none of which you mentioned above is either likely If you are going to have one eternal cause, why not ,many.
Quote:No, not any “god.” Just the definitions of God that include the properties described up above.
That's a faith position, it could for instance be an evil god who just wants us to Christians to believe that way they do and built our minds that way. And is a evolved physical being from a different universe.
Quote:If the God described above exists, then theism is true and atheism is false.
Or a evil (or no god) god who just wants you to think that and enjoys deceiving you. did not create the universe at all and is an evolved being.
After all does not the bible include a powerful deceiving creature, why not what you call god himself ?
Could it not simply be a physical evolved being who crafted a universe and you have misinterpreted everything ?
Quote:The Bible does teach us that we have free will,
Can you show we have free will ?
Quote:Perhaps the quantum field is God's typewriter. Regardless, none of what you wrote refutes the main points in my original post. A quantum field producing seemingly random events isn't nonbeing producing being, now is it?
Doesn't help your position either. and why would the god you describe need 'being' as a typewriter ?
So far as i can see you've just thrown assertions out there about what must have caused what , thrown in made up definitions of a god to fit them the best you can but none of which you can show to be true or even needed.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'