Turkey's Erdogan orders the conversion of Hagia Sophia back into a mosque

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Indeed; it's a proof of the type of thought they believe in and advocate, so let them talk it out and expose the Trojan horse they use.

I'm interested in the history of medieval Europe too but for different reasons: the warfare and the knights are my main concern. I find it amusing -though brutal- to picture masses of ironed men clashing into each other; the amount of weight in the single  European army at that time was...just amusing.

I read quickly through that link. But I carry a thought that states: the Church didn't make any progress in terms of science, but the Crusades showed the outside world -which was mainly Muslim- to Europeans. Then -after these expeditions- Europe began to catch up and rise from the dark.

Italy was very touched by Islamic civilization:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...hern_Italy

The way I picture it like this:
(Greece & Rome & Persia held science--->Islam conquered them and preserved the science and added tons to it---->the later generations of Rome re-discovered what their civilizations lost from science)

It's a cycle as I see it.

Rather an over simplified view, frankly.

A great deal of Greek knowledge was preserved by the Byzantine empire. This is the source of many of the texts later translated for western Europe.

Islamic civilization didn't *just* preserve that knowledge: it extended that knowledge in many different directions. In particular, a lot of advances were made in medicine, mathematics, astronomy, optics, etc.

Once in Europe, it was primarily the Christian monks that did the translations and the Christian cathedral schools that discussed and promoted the 'new' learning. It was there that many ideas concerning motion, inertia, the nature of the vacuum, and other physical concepts were elucidated. It was a monk that first investigated what we know would call fractional exponents and imagined irrational exponents.

Also, the Christian view partly underlies the very notion of a 'natural law', with the corresponding idea that humans could potentially discover and understand such laws. Much of this discussion serves as the foundation for the much later rise of modern science.

My view towards science is that it's best utilized and practiced by all humans together; not just a portion of society. Under this view I treasure the "Open Source" method of spreading knowledge.

Science in its image today is a collaboration of cultures. The Church didn't believe in that and its actions prove it, but Muslims opened their universities for all; even non-Muslims. That's why the Church fell; and Muslims ruled in that era.

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There have been some alarming developments in Turkey over the course of the past few years. Hardliners in the Turkish government have been promoting ministers and officers who are devout Muslims. These people are openly scornful of the secular nature of the Turkish political system and it's no secret that they want to consolidate power and set the clock back 100 years, and if they get their way, it'll happen. It's a terrible shame that the coup failed. Things would be infinitely better if it had been successful.

That coup in Turkey failed because the majority of people wanted Erdogan. Turkish people are far well educated than their counterparts in Egypt -who wasted their revolution by handing the country back to the army post 2011-. Even in tourism, Turkey ranked 7th in the whole world under Erdogan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings

Your propaganda fails miserably in front of numbers. You know you're a liar, your reader know you're a liar, even Erdogan knows you're a liar, the IT people in Tora Bora know you're a liar, your wife -if you have any- knows you're a liar, but you lie still, because you're a liar with no cause, even wikipedia shows that you're a liar. So........meh...