RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 20, 2020 at 3:37 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2020 at 4:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're not taking your time, and that's a shame.
The notion here is that the dead refuse life, this is not a credible notion by reference to the living. I'll note that you have failed to object to the moral content yet again.
I'm going to take the above as acknowledgment that I have not misrepresented your beliefs in any way, as you suggested I had. God has the power to save, but will not save everyone. God does and does not do exactly what I suggested - you simply believe that it has it's reasons for what it does and does not do. Exactly as I suggested. I don't expect acknowledgement or an apology - christian moral degeneracy and all that.
We all have our reasons for doing bad things. Telling me that a god has it's reasons to do bad things doesn't resolve the objection to a god doing bad things - and that was your cults objection.
Referring to some legal reason you fail to help doesn't make it less of a failure to help, or less bad - just more legal. I weep for the cosmos if this is the author of creation's defense, and it certainly wasn't what your cult objected to in the snippet you offered.
I know that if a person did the things that you believe your god to have done, you would call that person evil. I know that if a person offered the rationalizations you've offered, you would object. I know this because you routinely fail to object to the moral content - and have offered a criticism of others god beliefs based on moral content. Arguing, instead, that god totally wasn't doing the bad thing- even when it was - and even if you accurately believe that it was. If you didn't agree with me or your own snippet on the moral content of these remarks..there would be no reason to disagree on their factual accuracy.
I understand your beliefs. Everyone does. You haven't shut up about them for centuries - that's what happens. Accept that an atheist can understand and accurately represent your beliefs - and still object, just as you can accurately state and object to the beliefs of other christians. God fails to help -for whatever reason- ....this sounds bad, but you believe it to be true. It's an accurate representation of your own beliefs (and, coincidentally, reality) - and I'll leave you to twist yourself into knots over it..because that's not my bag at all.
The notion here is that the dead refuse life, this is not a credible notion by reference to the living. I'll note that you have failed to object to the moral content yet again.
I'm going to take the above as acknowledgment that I have not misrepresented your beliefs in any way, as you suggested I had. God has the power to save, but will not save everyone. God does and does not do exactly what I suggested - you simply believe that it has it's reasons for what it does and does not do. Exactly as I suggested. I don't expect acknowledgement or an apology - christian moral degeneracy and all that.
We all have our reasons for doing bad things. Telling me that a god has it's reasons to do bad things doesn't resolve the objection to a god doing bad things - and that was your cults objection.
Referring to some legal reason you fail to help doesn't make it less of a failure to help, or less bad - just more legal. I weep for the cosmos if this is the author of creation's defense, and it certainly wasn't what your cult objected to in the snippet you offered.
I know that if a person did the things that you believe your god to have done, you would call that person evil. I know that if a person offered the rationalizations you've offered, you would object. I know this because you routinely fail to object to the moral content - and have offered a criticism of others god beliefs based on moral content. Arguing, instead, that god totally wasn't doing the bad thing- even when it was - and even if you accurately believe that it was. If you didn't agree with me or your own snippet on the moral content of these remarks..there would be no reason to disagree on their factual accuracy.
I understand your beliefs. Everyone does. You haven't shut up about them for centuries - that's what happens. Accept that an atheist can understand and accurately represent your beliefs - and still object, just as you can accurately state and object to the beliefs of other christians. God fails to help -for whatever reason- ....this sounds bad, but you believe it to be true. It's an accurate representation of your own beliefs (and, coincidentally, reality) - and I'll leave you to twist yourself into knots over it..because that's not my bag at all.
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