RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 22, 2020 at 8:10 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2020 at 8:13 am by Gwaithmir.)
(August 21, 2020 at 10:00 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(August 21, 2020 at 8:20 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: I've yet to see ANY rational evidence for the universe being created.
Evidence is underdetermistic and theory-dependent; it derives it's meaning from the theory you observe with. Sunrise and sunset, for example, are both evidence for a geocentric and heliocentric universe.
The question to ask isn't what's the evidence for one or the other, but what observation tells the two apart? For example, the parallax effect.
Don't ask for evidence that the universe was created, even an apple on a tree is consistent with a created universe. Instead, look for observations that can distinguish a created universe from a non-created universe.
We know by empirical observations that the earth resides in a heliocentric system and that apples are not created; they grow on trees. In my youth, I made an honest search for God and creation, and came up empty, which is why I'm an atheist today. I suggest you stop obfuscating. If you have a case for God's existence and creation---make it!
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)