Another gun discussion part deux.

[Drich]

ghost guns like 80% milled receivers? do you have any idea how much work goes into one of those to make it operational? how tight the tolerances have to be in order for them to work reliably? 90% of them fail habitually/jam up or nothing at all happens when you pull the trigger. most of those are sold with the idea with some patience and a drill and dremel you can have a ar receiver with a few well placed holes. in truth you need a 5 axis cnc machine/auto mill to make those work. and if you have that you do not need a 80% receiver.. plus if you use one it has to be registered.
If you have a cnc it will be easier to start from a solid block of material because you will have to take hours setting up and plotting out the 80% receiver in the machine so it is properly oriented/the computer is aligned to know where to cut out what..  where as the machine (if you have the program) can take a block of billet aluminum and cut your own receiver in 1/2 the time. but then are subject to federal regulations and have to file as a manufacturer.. which again defeats the purpose of a 80% lower.  also if you build one, you can't legally transfer it or sell it to any one. the only option is to turn it is to the police or someone like me to be destroyed if you don't use it as a wall hanger.

Ghost guns are a joke. because there maybe only a few hundred people who have the skills and hand tools at home (have to be built at home) can build them out legally. mean hand forge/hume them out with hand tools. remember you can't buy or put them on any specialized mill or other machining equipment. otherwise it is considered to be manufactured which means it is subject to regulation/serial number by a licensed fire arm manufacturer. which again defeats the purpose. this is just a way for 1/2 asses gun builders to make money on a loop hole they found.. if you want to be scared of something.. the 3d printed receiver is a far greater threat as anyone can just print out a ghost gun and all the special cuts and machine work is already done.

if someone wants a box of 80% lowers they don't need me to get them as they are considered aluminum blocks. they can buy from the manufacturer. I would be an unnecessary middle man. 

that said i do plan on buying some lowers and kit them out with tactical triggers and some tricked out uppers. but the will be sold as regular firearms. but have to do more research and find a suppliers to make it all work.

right now the only think im doing is setting up the show room and trying to make contacts.. might be going to 'glock school' to become an authorized dealer. we will see what they say.

I notice that you didn't address the law. 

As far as making/assembling, my dealer makes them (I have not bought one) and says it's easy.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homemade_f...Production

Your guy can sell you a 80% complete receiver which means 20% still needs to be cut out, because what he is selling you is a semi shaped block of solid billet stock. billet aluminumn stock is not illegal. it's when that block of raw material is all drilled out and finished to accept a lowers parts kits, that it becomes a receiver.

this basically means you have to whittle (carving a stick or wood into a shape or character with a pocket knife.) a precision firearm out of a block of aluminum using a a drill bit who is designed to make straight perfectly round holes 1/2 inch in diameter or smaller, when your first hole is about 4" long 2.5" wide with steps and reliefs cut all the way down with chanel guides and markers along the way and you primary cutting to only drills 1/2 in holes. your secondary tool is a rotary sander. there is a weeks worth of work here doing this by hand, which again is the only legal way it works.    
https://www.polymer80.com/CMS-Images/Pol...ctions.pdf

and if you read i did speak about what the law allows and does not in the manufacturing process and ability to sell or transfer your work. and again the cuts matter down to the .01 of an inch, so if you over drill by .1 you now have a paper weight.

you could know one or two of these things out in a day in a proper shop, but again not legal to build out that way as that would they require a serial number.

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You need a 5 axis CNC to complete a reciever?



That's odd.

I did an AR10 blank last year on my MANUAL vertical mill - with only verniers. No DRO.

The rifle works fine.


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More BS, eh?

got a youtube video?

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militia is not regular army you know that right? a militia are those guns who show up to antifa rallies and 'guard' store fronts. kyle what's his name that shot 3 dudes is considered militia. I honestly believe most of us who do own long guns have several other people we hang out with that could very well be considered a small squad or even platoon of militia men. On the right I do not see that as an issue. however gun ownership on the left seems to be more self serving. there isn't a prevalent gun culture to speak of and when one is assembled (the not F-ing around boys/the all black open carry guys) can't seem to get together without negligently discharging their guns and shooting one another with them. Honestly the 2nd amendment is the only reason we have not plunged into a civil war yet.

So why did they want a regulated militia?
Because it was supposed to be INSTEAD of a standing army.
So to keep your guns you should really get rid of your army.

again sport the supreme court rule otherwise. your point in moot. the supreme court ruled the militia was not the reason to keep an bear arms the supreme court rule self defense was the ultimate reason for this right. on a macro level ie the militia and micro level personal/home defense.

learn to yield to authority. understand you are not debating me here. i posted a supreme court ruling on the final interpretation of this matter. meaning this is the official position of this country concerning this topic. the supreme court has the final say on the law not what you feel. the law say X the supreme court says the law say X it does not matter if you think the law means Y