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This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 7:26 am
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Not looking to round up all firearms in the hands of responsible people. But maybe, just maybe, it's time to take a hard look at how people store their weapons and take them away from waterheads who allow things like this to happen. This is a plea for better gun safety.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51663212
Isn't it sensible and reasonable to REQUIRE people to keep their firearms secured so things like this are less likely to happen? If you drive irresponsibly, you lose your driving license. If a doctor practices irresponsibly, she loses her medical license. A shoddy, irresponsible builder can lose his contractor's license.
A child was shot because a firearm wasn't secured. I get that this was an accident and has absolutely NOTHING to do with school shooting, workplace shootings, and so on. But it could have been prevented by something as simple as a gun safe.
It's hard to be sure, but it looks like the gun owner wasn't charged with anything.
Fuxxake.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 7:35 am
It is, and to that effect, federal law states that it is unlawful for any licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer to sell or transfer a handgun unless the transferee is provided with a "secure gun storage or safety device". 27 states and DC have explicit CAP laws, and all states (as well as the federal gov) have child endangerment laws.
It's required, but people don't give a shit, and law enforcement doesn't usually want the headache, depending on the amount of melanin in your skin.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 7:50 am
A law that is not enforced is exactly as effective as a law that doesn’t exist.
I think a reasonable approach would be to confiscate the weapon until the owner can show the police a receipt for a gun safe.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 7:55 am
"The family has suffered enough." Heard that too many times. According to what I've read stolen guns are the primary weapons used in crimes. I gave up gun collecting when I couldn't face buying another gun safe. The safes were secured to the foundation of the building, you would have needed a tank to get one away.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 9:21 am
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2020 at 9:26 am by onlinebiker.)
Here in Michigan - if your guns are stolen - then used illegally you can be held civilly and criminally for your gun's misuse.
The only exception is if they are stolen from a locked safe.
All my guns (except the one on my person) are under lock and key 24/7/365. They always have been.
If someone breaks in while I am gone I don't want to come home to find myself facing an asshole armed with my own gun......
(February 28, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It is, and to that effect, federal law states that it is unlawful for any licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer to sell or transfer a handgun unless the transferee is provided with a "secure gun storage or safety device". 27 states and DC have explicit CAP laws, and all states (as well as the federal gov) have child endangerment laws.
It's required, but people don't give a shit, and law enforcement doesn't usually want the headache, depending on the amount of melanin in your skin.
Not quite right.
What the feds require is the gun be sold with a trigger lock. It does not mandate the use of that lock and if the buyer shows he has a lock (with a reciept of purchase) he is exempt from buying another lock.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 9:53 am
(February 28, 2020 at 7:50 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A law that is not enforced is exactly as effective as a law that doesn’t exist.
I think a reasonable approach would be to confiscate the weapon until the owner can show the police a receipt for a gun safe.
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It's selectively enforced. Clear federal and state laws on endangerment, neglect, and abuse are very successfully employed, but also very predictably employed along the lines of our specific institutional biases.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 9:54 am
Quote:All my guns (except the one on my person) are under lock and key 24/7/365. They always have been.
Then you're not the problem. 
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 10:17 am
(February 28, 2020 at 7:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not looking to round up all firearms in the hands of responsible people. But maybe, just maybe, it's time to take a hard look at how people store their weapons and take them away from waterheads who allow things like this to happen. This is a plea for better gun safety.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51663212
Isn't it sensible and reasonable to REQUIRE people to keep their firearms secured so things like this are less likely to happen? If you drive irresponsibly, you lose your driving license. If a doctor practices irresponsibly, she loses her medical license. A shoddy, irresponsible builder can lose his contractor's license.
A child was shot because a firearm wasn't secured. I get that this was an accident and has absolutely NOTHING to do with school shooting, workplace shootings, and so on. But it could have been prevented by something as simple as a gun safe.
It's hard to be sure, but it looks like the gun owner wasn't charged with anything.
Fuxxake.
Boru
It isn't a matter of rights. It is a matter of one industry, just like the auto industry drug it's feet, and tobacco lied about it's products, and oil was forced to remove lead from gas. It isn't about denying responsible people. It is about one industry putting profits over public safety. Same as any other industry.
It isn't enough to blame the user. Laws forcing owners to prove they are locking up their firearms is a start. But if you have a flooded market, those laws, while well intended, wont stop the flooded market that makes things like that far too common.
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 10:22 am
(February 28, 2020 at 9:21 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Here in Michigan - if your guns are stolen - then used illegally you can be held civilly and criminally for your gun's misuse.
Question on point of law, please: If the gun is misused in another state is the owner still liable under the law?
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RE: This Is NOT A Gun Control Thread!!
February 28, 2020 at 10:35 am
(February 28, 2020 at 10:17 am)Brian37 Wrote: (February 28, 2020 at 7:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not looking to round up all firearms in the hands of responsible people. But maybe, just maybe, it's time to take a hard look at how people store their weapons and take them away from waterheads who allow things like this to happen. This is a plea for better gun safety.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51663212
Isn't it sensible and reasonable to REQUIRE people to keep their firearms secured so things like this are less likely to happen? If you drive irresponsibly, you lose your driving license. If a doctor practices irresponsibly, she loses her medical license. A shoddy, irresponsible builder can lose his contractor's license.
A child was shot because a firearm wasn't secured. I get that this was an accident and has absolutely NOTHING to do with school shooting, workplace shootings, and so on. But it could have been prevented by something as simple as a gun safe.
It's hard to be sure, but it looks like the gun owner wasn't charged with anything.
Fuxxake.
Boru
It isn't a matter of rights. It is a matter of one industry, just like the auto industry drug it's feet, and tobacco lied about it's products, and oil was forced to remove lead from gas. It isn't about denying responsible people. It is about one industry putting profits over public safety. Same as any other industry.
It isn't enough to blame the user. Laws forcing owners to prove they are locking up their firearms is a start. But if you have a flooded market, those laws, while well intended, wont stop the flooded market that makes things like that far too common.
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO.
No.
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