RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 8, 2020 at 5:55 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2020 at 5:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 8, 2020 at 5:08 pm)runewell Wrote:No standard would be a low standard.(October 8, 2020 at 1:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The trouble with foreknowledge and free will has nothing to do with a god, or with anyone making anyone else do anything.
Laying aside the logical issues with foreknowledge and free will entirely, we'll have further moral difficulty understanding why an attribute that would make us responsible for x would not also make a god responsible for x. If we do something knowing full well the consequence of that act, we hold ourselves responsible for that outcome.
Do we hold gods to lesser standards than men?
We don't hold God to any standards, because He is God. You can make up any standard you like, but you would be totally powerless to enforce it, so it is a moot point. Therefore, it does not follow that if we are responsible for X then God is also responsible for X.
Are you sure that this vision of god is the one you want to impart? A god that can't be forced to act in a moral fashion making morality moot? Is that also how you view morality in the human context? That, because some people will do bad things and no one can do anything about it, then they are not responsible for those things they've done?
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