RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 10, 2020 at 9:20 pm
(This post was last modified: October 10, 2020 at 9:41 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, there we go, there's no point in arguing the morality of a thing to a person who rejects morality in favor of might. At any rate, some people have moral objections to this or to that, and for a person who does accept the fundamental validity of moral concerns, and has a moral objection, that can be a serious issue. Issues that no amount of claiming that a god is strong can or will speak to. I don't think that you'll find much success or agreement this way.
Thing is, I don't think that you're being genuine. You keep talking about desert, about warrant, about criminality. Warrant is meaningless if might is the metric - the accepted standard. Criminality is meaningless if might is the metric - the accepted standard. A strong criminal doing unwarranted things, is both good™, and analog for god, under this standard - that you purport to accept. It doesn't matter whether rebellion grants warrant, because warrant is irrelevant to might. If rebellion didn't grant warrant and your god still wanted to kill people - as we've discussed, also good™.
These are the consequences of an arbitrary system further confused by invocations of might - but, as before, it's at least a clear position.... if you can contain yourself to it. I disagree with it. I think that moral statements purport to report facts, and insomuch as they get those facts true, the moral statements would be true. So, if the facts establish that god is immoral, and you seem to think that they do (even though we disagree about the nature of morality and even though we disagree about the existence of god, we find agreement here), then gods immorality would be a fact of it's existence - and as such it would be unacceptable...to my standards, for worship. It's existence, it's power...? Both irrelevant.
Thing is, I don't think that you're being genuine. You keep talking about desert, about warrant, about criminality. Warrant is meaningless if might is the metric - the accepted standard. Criminality is meaningless if might is the metric - the accepted standard. A strong criminal doing unwarranted things, is both good™, and analog for god, under this standard - that you purport to accept. It doesn't matter whether rebellion grants warrant, because warrant is irrelevant to might. If rebellion didn't grant warrant and your god still wanted to kill people - as we've discussed, also good™.
These are the consequences of an arbitrary system further confused by invocations of might - but, as before, it's at least a clear position.... if you can contain yourself to it. I disagree with it. I think that moral statements purport to report facts, and insomuch as they get those facts true, the moral statements would be true. So, if the facts establish that god is immoral, and you seem to think that they do (even though we disagree about the nature of morality and even though we disagree about the existence of god, we find agreement here), then gods immorality would be a fact of it's existence - and as such it would be unacceptable...to my standards, for worship. It's existence, it's power...? Both irrelevant.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
