RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm by R00tKiT.)
(October 22, 2020 at 11:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You keep missing the point entirely. Sure, you follow your handed down rules - and people object to those rules. There's no misconception. You can stomp your feet and call us stupid and say that it just is that way from here to eternity - but it's not as if human beings have never objected to rules that exist. A tyrant that exists is still a tyrant - and isn't made less so on account of being real.
Yeah, I know, people object to Islam per se, even if cleared of any misconception. But again, this is not what the thread is about. Besides, many people, maybe not you, can actually change their opinion towards Islam when they learn more about it.
Be that as it may, it's always smart to obey a tyrant, if the latter is capable of inflicting huge damage to one's self.
(October 22, 2020 at 11:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I have very little trouble accounting for my own existence. I met the people involved.
I didn't know your curiosity about your existence is that narrow.
(October 22, 2020 at 11:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yes, that's what you're telling me. The problem is that what you're telling me is demonstrably false.
If an assertion leading to infinite regress demonstrates that there is a problem with the assertion because infinite regress is impossible, then your argument is categorically unsound by your own stated metrics. This is always the trouble when we invent rules in order to immediately break them. If something that begins to exist must have a cause then a god who begins to exist must have a cause. If a god that does not begin to exist can evade the asserted clause then so can a cosmos in an identical state. Let's just toss all of that aside, though. Let's assume that your trash god is really real, and these are the real rules, that really exist.
Well, this is not the argument. We know this universe exists, after some finite or infinite causal chain that took place. An infinite causal chain cannot occur, therefore the universe is definitely preceeded by a finite causal chain.
As you can see, nothing leads to infinite regress, we just have two possibilites and eliminated one of them.
(October 22, 2020 at 11:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: There's more than a slight misunderstanding. We can bicker about these things above until we're blue in the face - but none of them will clear up any misconception, and none of them will magically compel me to islam. You think that reason and evidence demonstrates that a god exists. It doesn't, but frankly it wouldn't matter if it did, now would it? Real or imaginary, your god is trash. If what you believe is true, let that sink in...if what you believe is true... then I'm uninterested in being a part of it. You can't clear this misconception up, nor can you credibly call it a misconception, if you affirm the truth of the things I object to.
Understand?
Yeah, you're free not to join the religion after being presented with evidence. You won't be the first one to do so.