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Separation of Science and State
RE: Separation of Science and State
Presumably you will lie, as you just did, about any definition and any response I offer. Yes, absolutely - this has turned into a running demonstration of the truth of that conjecture.

Meanwhile, here's your OPQ

Quote:Should there be any separation between science and government (synonymous to church and state)?
Church and state are separated on account of the inevitable abuse over mutually exclusive normative claims about the sacred written into law.

Does science make normative claims...at all? Does science even determine a set of sacred things to make normative claims about? No, and no. Science is a descriptive enterprise which makes descriptive claims. It tells us how it is, not how it should be. If some potential for abuse arises from telling us how things should be is a case for separation - which we have decided that it is - that case cannot be made for a thing that lacks the necessary relationship.

Should we separate the government from what is as we've separated the government from what should be relative to the sacred? No, that's ludicrous, and it might just take an ignorant liar to ask the question.

Or a christian.
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Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 1:18 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by HappySkeptic - November 13, 2020 at 3:24 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 13, 2020 at 8:25 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2020 at 8:46 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Brian37 - November 13, 2020 at 8:56 am
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