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Separation of Science and State
RE: Separation of Science and State
(November 17, 2020 at 6:25 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(November 17, 2020 at 5:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Unification over normative content relative to the sacred.

"Sacred" is a likewise problematic and ambiguous term. Everything and anything can be considered sacred, with or without religious underpinnings. Yet given that you're using the term to define religion, you've committed yourself to a non-religious definition of sacred. So what is your secular definition of sacred?

Which is why the definition I used leaves it specifically ambiguous.  The sacred can be credibly and accurately defined in any way, but a religion is defined by unification over normative content relative to the sacred no matter how sacred is conceived of by that religion.

In a religion of nature, nature is likely sacred.  Could be a left handed widget, tho.  It really doesn't matter.  Separation of church and state isn't on account of whether anyone gets the right set of sacred articles..but if you really must - whatever those proper sacred articles are, our Church of The Secular Sacred has them right.

I doesn't go,"no law.....except in the case of a true and proven religion, except in the case of a religion with the proper sacred articles, except in the case of a religion informed by scientific experimentation".

What do you think about separation in their case? If you spent less time fielding doomed objections to uncontroversial and demonstrable aspects of religion you might realize that this is the dream setup for you. I fixed your infantile bullshit about a separation of science and state by positing a religion that you were simply incapable of conceiving. You might actually get a decent answer to the items in your op q, assuming that answers about any of this shit was ever the point of making the thread to begin with. If you're wondering about science, and religion, and separation, and specifically how they might all relate and in what circumstances something thoroughly scientific might still be subject to the maxim - here it is.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 1:18 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 13, 2020 at 2:51 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Brian37 - November 13, 2020 at 3:01 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2020 at 5:54 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Belacqua - November 13, 2020 at 6:44 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Deesse23 - November 13, 2020 at 7:26 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Brian37 - November 13, 2020 at 8:31 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2020 at 12:29 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by HappySkeptic - November 13, 2020 at 3:24 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Belacqua - November 13, 2020 at 8:42 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 13, 2020 at 8:25 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 8:50 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 13, 2020 at 9:00 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 9:06 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 13, 2020 at 9:11 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2020 at 8:46 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Brian37 - November 13, 2020 at 8:56 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 11:57 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2020 at 9:04 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Fake Messiah - November 13, 2020 at 9:08 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Brian37 - November 13, 2020 at 11:06 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2020 at 9:11 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 13, 2020 at 12:02 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by brewer - November 13, 2020 at 9:15 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2020 at 9:25 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 13, 2020 at 10:41 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by HappySkeptic - November 13, 2020 at 10:50 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 14, 2020 at 2:05 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 14, 2020 at 2:25 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2020 at 12:00 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Fireball - November 14, 2020 at 12:46 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 14, 2020 at 12:55 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Belacqua - November 14, 2020 at 4:02 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2020 at 2:00 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Apollo - November 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2020 at 12:20 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 15, 2020 at 6:00 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 16, 2020 at 3:16 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 15, 2020 at 10:11 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2020 at 6:10 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2020 at 6:47 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 15, 2020 at 7:21 pm
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2020 at 8:10 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 16, 2020 at 2:53 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2020 at 8:26 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 16, 2020 at 3:02 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2020 at 9:09 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 16, 2020 at 3:27 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2020 at 3:25 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 3:42 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Sal - November 16, 2020 at 9:20 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2020 at 3:48 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 3:51 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2020 at 4:04 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 4:26 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 5:00 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 16, 2020 at 7:41 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 11:17 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2020 at 8:05 am
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 11:50 am
RE: Separation of Science and State - by Silver - November 16, 2020 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State - by John 6IX Breezy - November 16, 2020 at 1:31 pm
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