RE: Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god
November 19, 2020 at 8:45 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2020 at 8:49 am by R00tKiT.)
(November 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They're being raised by and in one, that's why those fairies they imagine are so specifically cultural. Horse gods for horses, cow gods for cows......
That's not really true in all religions. It's well known in Islam that God doesn't resemble human beings in any way. The only reason why the Qur'an, for example, speaks of God hearing or seeing his creatures, is because this is all we can understand. Every human being understands from the use of the verb hear that the deity in question can detect all our sound acoustic waves.
This is something most non religious people miss I think, when they go ahead and start criticising our holy books. The fact that traditional religions describe God in what may seem to some as not worth of his attributes is a simple consequence of our limited understanding ability. It's obvious that we can't comprehend the infinite, therefore it's logically impossible to convey the full explanation of god's " ways" in human language, that is, a language with limited expressive ability.
And it's not a problem that a god can't express his own functioning in our own language. God can't do what is logically impossible.
(November 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't have to be, and I certainly don't have to be certain about anything about gods to know that human children explain the behaviors of human children better than a genie does.
That being said..I am completely certain that there's no god, so..no problem either way, eh?
I am really curious to know how you became certain that there's no god. If you actually can prove that, you certainly deserve the highest possible distinction in the field of philosophy of religion.
Back to human children, if you think their parents -their culture, how they raise their children ,etc- are the only explanation we should look for, you're simply moving the goalposts, and the same problem arises with their parents' childhood, and so on. Also, the tendency to believe in children seems to transcend their culture.
To reprise the words of the psychologist Justin L Barett : "Certainly cultural inputs help fill in the details but children's minds are not a level playing field. They are tilted in the direction of belief".
Culture and behavioral tricks you're talking about only give children concrete descriptions of the supernatural agent they'e naturally inclined to believe in, a child may think that god is the air he breathes, or that he resembles his father physically, and so on. But that has nothing with to do with the natural inclination we're interested in.
(November 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How many all powerful magicians have you seen in the observable world, how many compared to children?
I don't see a lot of things inside the observable world. Not being able to see an all powerful being.. never sounded like a problem to me. We are unable to see countless things which are far less powerful, and which do shape our lives in many ways.
(November 18, 2020 at 7:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The earth, for it's part, points to a star that you might be familiar with as it's manufacturer. Should we explain childrens' tendency to ascribe purpose to natural objects as a product of the sun?
Tell me, is it common to believe these things that you've been sharing where you're from?
Again, you're moving the goalposts. It's a bit depressing to know you're satisifed with stardust as the complete explanation of our existence, that it really was a blind process all along.
What I'm sharing here isn't really beliefs, but reasons to believe non religious people use too in their everyday life.