RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
November 24, 2020 at 11:07 am
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2020 at 11:22 am by Confused-by-christianity.)
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.
(November 24, 2020 at 10:33 am)Eleven Wrote:(November 24, 2020 at 10:31 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I don't know if "God punishes people with eternal torment".
I've heard a lot of people say God is like that - but I'm not so sure.
You're more than welcome to share your view. Not that it would hold much water for us atheists.
I read the bible more like how I would listen to music. Like a song.
Freddie Mercury - Bohemian Rhapsody. I can listen to the song and get meaning from it.
Some people might read a transcript of the song and think - His mother didn't actually just kill a man, and how is it "his" trigger?? Freddie Mercury is a liar.
I think misunderstandings like this happen and people come out with ways to explain it - you end up with fire and brimstone???
Maybe???
(November 24, 2020 at 10:47 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:Maybe fear plays a large part in a lot of things that go wrong.(November 24, 2020 at 10:31 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I don't know if "God punishes people with eternal torment".
I've heard a lot of people say God is like that - but I'm not so sure.
It's not as if there would be any need, right? He already punished us with pain and deprivation in life, then killed us.
Kicking a corpse isn't bad in any definable way, it just seems silly and excessive. What do you think, are the imagined horrors of some world to come the real dilemma for a god, or is it the actual state of the world as we see it in life?
Fear has a use - it stops you doing really stupid things. But it ought not rule over all our decisions or we are likely to come into trouble?
A faith based on fear of hell seems misguided to me.
For one thing - when someone gives themselves to you out of fear, they don't really "love" you, it's coercion. A God that only cares about the truth wouldn't want a coerced "love". That's not love at all.
Perhaps the people who came up with this theology struggled with fear a lot themselves and created a whole theology based on it? It is a great motivator - but lacks true staying power - so maybe they initially thought they were doing a good job, getting all these people in the door, only to find them leaving later on, or never really progressing spiritually ??