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[Serious] What God's justification for eternal torment?
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What God's justification for eternal torment?
OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Is that what Vishnu says? What about Odin? Zeus? Iagentci?
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#3
RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Yeah, talking about Odin, when Christian missionaries were telling Vikings about hell being a place of eternal fire, the Vikings couldn't see why that was a bad thing.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
(August 13, 2020 at 10:30 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: OK listen, I get that God has rules and all, but when it comes to punishment, why does God need to punish us with LITERAL FIRE? Why BURN BILLIONS of people as punishment for "not accepting my son" ? and Why for ETERNITY? That has to be the most fucked up thing imaginable, that to me is NOT of justice, NOT of love and certainty NOT righteous, if anything, its barbaric, its savagery, its inhumane, and most importantly, its EVIL. And don't say "No they actually do die a second time in the lake of fire" because that "holy" book of yours is filled with contradictions. God cannot deal with sinners in a civilized, and humane matter? Why not the punishment for not accepting god or Jesus be: You die in this life, thats it, no heaven.

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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
There is no possible justification for eternal torment, especially given the glaring fact of the absence of free will in the human condition (eg. one cannot choose to believe (and thus be "saved"); one merely believes that which one perceives to be the truth).
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
"God" proclaiming there is a hell carries almost as much weight as Superman proclaiming he is from Krypton.....


Don't sweat it.
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#8
RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Infinite punishment for finite offenses is unjust on the face of it. The biblical support for it is dodgy though, you can put together verses to support the 'Lake of Fire' being reserved for Satan and his fellow rebel angels, annihilation of the souls of sinners, or verses to support eventual universal salvation. Eternal hellfire seems to just be popular in many Christian sects, presumably because fear of it is believed to help keep the flock in line. In modern times the eternal hellfire doctrine is a problem, possibly because the morality of modern culture has moved beyond considering torture a just punishment even if it's temporary.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Pretty sure gods justification is fuck you, is why.

Goes on and on and on about the kinds of people he hates and intends to harm. Magic book says he's done it before, and he's gonna do it again. Hell is a small thing to this god. It's where he puts his trash, all the stuff that won't show fealty. The failed attempts and aborted beings.
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RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
Ironically, the only part of the bible that seems to explore hellfire is Revelations.
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