Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god

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Tick, not trick.  A tick might be a brute fact.  Something that we do no matter what the explanation for that thing is.  Maybe I knock on doors exactly 5 (and never 4, and never 6) times.  Reason?  Any reason, or no reason - it's just a thing I do.  Perhaps children ascribe purpose to natural phenomena for no reason or no satisfying reason whatsoever - that this is a fact describing what children do.  Say, imagining things.

Or, perhaps...children ascribe purpose to natural phenomena because they're accurately observing a natural teleology.

There are two possible explanations, as unsatisfyng as they may be and as god free as they are - that you will need to consider.

"Natural teleology".. funny name. It's as if you people assume that a deity can't manifest its design in natural processes. Let's say there is some natural teleology completely explaining children's behavior. So what ? Do you think it would explain away god's imprint  ?

There is no fact about you which differentiates you from a battery that changes when a god enters or leaves the picture.  That's how it;s demonstrably (and risibly) false.  

As explained above, the existence of God is a difference making property with regards to souls and afterlife. Absent these two, we and batteries are the sum total of our constituent atoms, that's all there is to it.

No, it isn't.  Is there any difference to their being an afterlife between an afterlife with a god, and an afterlife without one?  No.  In both cases there is an afterlife, and the existence of a god is additional and irrelevant to the existence of an afterlife.  Tighten up.

Apparently, you didn't take that many math classes.

Let me break it down for you : the first thing one learns in a rigorous math course is to ensure that all objects he appeals to can logically exist. Now, you mentioned "afterlife without god", and for us theists, such a thing is logically, literally, utterly impossible, unless you can help us conceive of the possibility of ressurecting dead people without an all powerful being. 

Also, the existence of God is a necessary condition for the existence of an afterlife. Or, if you understand the material conditional:

(a just) God ⇒ Afterlife. Thus, by contraposition, No afterlife ⇒ No (just) God.

You nope out when these things are brought up..you acknowledge that they exist, and then decide that your life is still meaningfully meaningless in the absence of some silly god.  

So -what- if we only have Makeshift Purposes™.....?  If that's what it would mean to be in a universe without a god, to you, then so be it.  We still have all those Makeshift Purposes™.  If your complaint or your inference is that by noticing purpose in life we can declare that a god exists or is more likely to exist..again demonstrably and risibily false.  We can notice purpose in life and say that this is a product of all of that makeshift purpose.

I have no problem with that. You can't deny, though, that the god purpose, if exists, is definitely more worth it than all these makeshift purposes. Besides, many people do help the poor and prevent bad things precisely because they believe God commanded them to do so.

Exactly as I told Winter - I don't care whether or not you think this life is fair..or that you have some further silly belief about this life as a divine test... or how any combination of those two things leads you to conclude this or that about some djinns asserted soul forge.

Do you, like Winter, believe that a test shouldn't be fair, if so, why?

No, I don't believe that. Why would I ? A test has to be fair. And the divine test as described by Islam is actually fair.

-and it's a completely garbage argument for all the reasons listed and more, if you insist.  So get a better one?  Surely, the very real god and very real author of this very real creation has some very real and very competent argument that in this very real world really did cause you to believe through a real process of real logical inference.

You'll have to look into revealed theology for that. I never claimed in any of my posts that these arguments yield complete certainty about god's existenece. I am merely trying to explain that the God question lies outside the purview of deductive arguments, that atheists misunderstand inference and, more importantly, appeal to it a lot in real life without knowing so.

Only verbatim instruction handed out to us from a deity can reveal the unknowable. Therefore if all these prophets are conmen and liars, then it's very likely that there is no god.