RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
December 12, 2020 at 7:50 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2020 at 8:00 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Let's say you ran into some tomatos in the woods. Is that not good evidence of a human being? There are many (many many many many many) other explanations for the tomato being there - every one of them that we'd be willing to entertain is natural.
In the overarching sense, all of nature is a product of a god in the asserted beliefs of these people, and splitting things up between god/nature in this way is fruitless - but we'll use ourselves as a god analog in this case. Would you say that the presence of the tomato in the woods was not good evidence that human beings were around, on account of there being literally endless other potential and plausible explanations for it? I point this out to show, again, that it's not really an issue of whether or not something is good evidence or bad evidence..but, first, whether it is evidence for the specific proposition -at all.
-and it's not hard to figure out whether an arguer genuinely believes as much, either. Fun little double edged sword..but to create a premise for ones beliefs that is or could be provably true, is to create a situation for those same beliefs such that they can be provably false. If an arguer asserts, in good faith, that the premise of his beliefs is so and so and has the necessary evidentiary relationship to such and such..then that same person is inviting others to destroy that belief by reference to that same set of asserted facts.
Bets on whether or not Kloro thinks his beliefs can be proven to be false by reference to any argument he hopes can prove them to be true? My money is on no, because, in point of fact in mere reality, even he doesn't believe that this has such a relationship. He's just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks.
In the overarching sense, all of nature is a product of a god in the asserted beliefs of these people, and splitting things up between god/nature in this way is fruitless - but we'll use ourselves as a god analog in this case. Would you say that the presence of the tomato in the woods was not good evidence that human beings were around, on account of there being literally endless other potential and plausible explanations for it? I point this out to show, again, that it's not really an issue of whether or not something is good evidence or bad evidence..but, first, whether it is evidence for the specific proposition -at all.
-and it's not hard to figure out whether an arguer genuinely believes as much, either. Fun little double edged sword..but to create a premise for ones beliefs that is or could be provably true, is to create a situation for those same beliefs such that they can be provably false. If an arguer asserts, in good faith, that the premise of his beliefs is so and so and has the necessary evidentiary relationship to such and such..then that same person is inviting others to destroy that belief by reference to that same set of asserted facts.
Bets on whether or not Kloro thinks his beliefs can be proven to be false by reference to any argument he hopes can prove them to be true? My money is on no, because, in point of fact in mere reality, even he doesn't believe that this has such a relationship. He's just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks.
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