[Serious] What God's justification for eternal torment?

[The Grand Nudger]

Excellent suggestion, then it's not a soul forge at all.  It's just some random asshole doing bad shit. 

Can you be a bit more objective ? Why are you restricting the scope of reasons for the existence of evil to soul forge..? Why aren't you taking free will into consideration, which logically solves the problem of evil completely.

You're the one who just told us that earthquakes were a demon doing random bad shit.  Heaven forfend you were being disingenuous or just plain stupid.  

How do you rule out the heartless demon responsible for earthquakes. Maybe his signature move is plate tectonics ?

That has to be the cutest and quickest retraction from a batshit claim that I've ever witnessed.  

If there is no absolute moral authority, then there is no good and evil, these words become basically undefined, because human beings as moral agents with limited information will forcibly disagree on the list of moral/immoral actions.
By contraposition, if there is good and evil, there has to be an absolute moral authority.

Human beings also disagree on the answer to 2+2.  Disagreement is not an argument against objectivity or for a god. It's not even a credible suggestion on it's own grounds. People disagree -with- gods, and in a universe in which god exists, allegedly.

Though, at the end of the day I agree with you, for things to be right or wrong there must be some moral authority, and that moral authority can't be swayed one way or another by a moral agents existence or it's own moral disagreement with that authority. Your god is an asshole, or there are asshole demons your god can't handle (or maybe earthquakes don't have anything to do with gods or demons)...hardly matters to me, doesn't matter at all to objective moral claims.

What I think is instructive about all of this, is that neither of our god botherers really want to certify their suggestions..they just thought that this subject was a place that they could dive into the unfalsifiable, the unprovable.

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It's not an impasse between us..it's a suggestion you made but now refuse to endorse.  It doesn't have to be starvation or you specifically, but it does have to be horrid shit you're signing off on...and if it doesn't have anything to do with improvement, then it's not a soul forge at all.

See how easy it is to answer questions in this life?

Is your claim, “option 4 cannot be try e, because, bad stuff happens.” ??

That’s what I think you’re saying.

It's interesting that you think that.  It's my position that option 4 can only be true if the horrid shit does improve us, and if there is a moral justification for improving us in that way.  I can't get you to commit to the first part, so it's doa until you do. If that's not true, then..obviously, option four can't be true..since that's option four...jesus fucking christ.

I'll just mention again, to both of you, that we're very clearly dealing with claims that only seem useful; to either of you, before you realize how poorly following through goes. You want to be there for the excuse, but not when it goes pear shaped. You'll suggest it when you think it helps god..but not..as you're both figuring out in real time, when it damns him. You just got through telling me that maybe the bad shit isn't the soul forge but something else, and the other one blamed earthquakes on a demon.

You might be able to understand why I don't think that either of you genuinely believes a word you say to us, right?