(December 15, 2020 at 5:11 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I am afraid you're missing the point. The idea is not that the demon provoking earthquakes exists, or may exist, it's simply that you cannot rule it out. If you cannot rule out an alternative explanation to all evil, then your argument for the nonexistence of a benevolent god who gave us free will [because there is too much evil] no longer works.Sure I can rule it out, and have. You can only be describing some problem that you have.
Quote:Okay. If all human beings agree on what 2 and + stand for, then there should be no disagreement about 2+2, if someone disagrees nonetheless, then he is demonstrably mistaken. I should've been more carful with the word disagreement, as it should only entail, in this context, the kind of disagreement that can't be settled by a simple appeal to logical rules.If we can't say the same thing about moral issues, then moral issues aren't issues that people can be demonstrably mistaken about. You are, again, appealing to disagreement, and it's no more successful this time than the last..or, the next..I'm sure.
Not the same thing can be said about moral issues, good and evil are hard to define, unless one copies some verse from some scripture doing so. As a result there are many controversial issues that people will never agree on such as abortion, homosexuality, emancipation of women, etc.
It's true that there are some moral golden rules out there, but again, what makes them authoritative ?
Assuming that there were a right answer to a moral question, an answer that people could be demonstrably right or wrong about, people will still disagree.
Quote:And now you have a new problem, what moral authority to pick. If this absolute moral agent doesn't exist, then clearly there is no exemplary moral code to follow. And one might simply adopt his country's criminal law, for example, as the list of good/bad actions. But again, criminal law changes from one country to another.Sounds like another you problem, not my problem. I'm not a relativist, there's no wrong to bob, or wrong to steve, or wrong to allah, or wrong to jill for me to choose between. There's just whether something is right, or wrong.
I'm not sure what you're driving at, though, mentioning demons and earthquakes. You don't seem to understand the point of invoking the imaginary demon. Again, it clearly shows that atheist's attempt to disprove the existence of a three omni god based on evil is a non sequitur.
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