(December 28, 2020 at 11:44 am)Klorophyll Wrote:(December 18, 2020 at 3:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: At this point (probably should have asked this earlier in the thread), I think what we need from you, is how you go about detecting when something is designed, and when it isn't.
Please list the method(s) and steps you use to determine a designed thing from a non designed thing.
There is none, there is no distinction. This was precisely my point. Literally nothing in this earth belongs to us, nothing, everything is either created ex nihilo by an agent/cause or was always there. And because these things display appearances of complexity, design, etc, this makes it more probable than not that the agent in question is intelligent, and meant for the end result to happen.
Appearance of design is the very definition of design. What we usually consider to be cleverly designed machines is a combination of matter that doesn't belong to us in a way that is useful to a set of people, in other words, assigning design to something is actually a subjective issue; it's not difficult to see that there is no intrinsic property of design that we can assign to objects around us. It's really a matter of nomenclature.
(December 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Interesting how this wonderful, all knowing, all powerful god seems unable to sort out this covid thing that's going on, you would think a tiny little virus would be simple for him to fix. Maybe he just doesn't care anymore or possibly he is just a made up fantasy.
Worse things happen in this world and God lets them happen. The occurence of bad stuff is not a valid argument for God's nonexistence. If there were no evil, one cannot be grateful for what he has. After all, there are ungrateful people even with the presence of evil.
If your wonderful god could fix it and doesn't then he does not deserve to be worshipped
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Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups
Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!