RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
December 31, 2020 at 7:48 am
(This post was last modified: December 31, 2020 at 7:52 am by Fake Messiah.)
(December 31, 2020 at 4:37 am)SUNGULA Wrote: He will just go back to the dumb argument "Who are you to tell God how to do X" of course that's not a real objection.
He is the one saying that his God is acting intelligently while I say that that claim is very weak.
But it seems his problem is that his view is very narrow: he only sees things that he likes and then proclaims that the world is beautiful, and therefore designed. It's not much different than a flatearther looking from his point of view and proclaiming that Earth is flat, because Earth can look flat from a limited viewpoint, and even whole small nations in the past could believe that the Earth is flat, but when you start considering other things and looking at the bigger picture you see it's not flat.
You could even say that concluding how Earth is flat is intuitive, while realizing that Earth is a sphere is counterintuitive, and you could perhaps say it's same with the intelligent design: that at first glance world looks intelligently designed, but as you think about it and look at the whole picture, you realize that the so called designer is very blind, drunk, mean, without a plan and incompetent.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"