RE: Good read on consciousness
January 9, 2021 at 12:36 am
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2021 at 1:15 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Are we clearly experiencing anything? The problems with any statement that rests on that assertion just jump right out, I'm sure.
Not a thing - in the sense relevant to the disagreement between realism and illusionism. Both positions agree that there is a matter which they are attempting to explain. Illusions are real and can, themselves, have great power. It is not that sense of not being a thing that separates the two positions.
Realists think that there's actually some-thing- in there doing what it says it's doing, that it's reports are a meaningfully accurate description of it..as a thing. Wetness™ is real and is somehow apprehended and then experienced by a somehow conscious observer...rather than being a report of symbolic language by an information processing machine which is distributed, not a unitary observer, and of which no part is conscious..for example.
Everyone wants the illusionists mechanics - nobody wants to use the word.
-to be thorough, emergentism (in tom) is the notion that some-thing- as above, that is meaningfully like it's own reports, arose out of these illusionists interactions of non conscious elements, in which we see nothing of those reports occurring.
We say wetness alot, but we can't find we or wetness in there, or any eye to see either if they were, and it turns out that we don't need either to explain that we keep saying wetness alot (even if that's not the right answer, ultimately). If we're going to talk about a hard problem - I'd say that's the one...not the hard problem of "I can't find the thing I strongly believe exists". In many instances, there is a very simple reason for that state of affairs.
Not a thing - in the sense relevant to the disagreement between realism and illusionism. Both positions agree that there is a matter which they are attempting to explain. Illusions are real and can, themselves, have great power. It is not that sense of not being a thing that separates the two positions.
Realists think that there's actually some-thing- in there doing what it says it's doing, that it's reports are a meaningfully accurate description of it..as a thing. Wetness™ is real and is somehow apprehended and then experienced by a somehow conscious observer...rather than being a report of symbolic language by an information processing machine which is distributed, not a unitary observer, and of which no part is conscious..for example.
Everyone wants the illusionists mechanics - nobody wants to use the word.
-to be thorough, emergentism (in tom) is the notion that some-thing- as above, that is meaningfully like it's own reports, arose out of these illusionists interactions of non conscious elements, in which we see nothing of those reports occurring.
We say wetness alot, but we can't find we or wetness in there, or any eye to see either if they were, and it turns out that we don't need either to explain that we keep saying wetness alot (even if that's not the right answer, ultimately). If we're going to talk about a hard problem - I'd say that's the one...not the hard problem of "I can't find the thing I strongly believe exists". In many instances, there is a very simple reason for that state of affairs.
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