RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
February 7, 2021 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: February 7, 2021 at 4:44 pm by WinterHold.)
(February 7, 2021 at 3:24 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:
(February 7, 2021 at 12:09 am)WinterHold Wrote: That Oxford dictionary entry very loose and unjust; as a Muslim I saw the worse of such loose definitions and I know finally why they exist: to suck the blood out of any enemy with clear conscious.
Every movement of resistance includes violence against the man with the gun; a reminder is the Draft Riots of 1863 in New York:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots
If the government is supporting violence against the civilians and protect it, then a revolt against that tyranny is not even close to terrorism. That what BLM did: white cops were massacring colored people, so colored people revolted.
But how about an organized white supremacist gang that broke into the Capitol to stop the elections after their boss lost fairly?
Trying to change the results of elections that they agreed to obey using the power of the gun is pure terrorism and attack on the state.
Ah, so you just have an entirely different definition of terrorism, so it turns out we are talking about two completely different things. That's fine. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Of course we have different definitions; the American definition needs adjustment.
(February 7, 2021 at 12:13 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:(February 7, 2021 at 6:16 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think you mistake my meaning - I'm not in favour of any group being designated as a terrorist organization, even the ones that clearly are. The problem with doing so is that it opens the floodgates to labeling EVERY group the government doesn't like as a terrorist organization. Simply because some members of a group (BLM, Proud Boys, The International Brotherhood of Ferret Fondlers - whatever) commit what can be considered terroristic acts doesn't justify calling everyone in that group a terrorist and prosecuting them as such.
I'm all about differentiating between criminals and lawful people. I hope that clears it up for you.
Boru
I did not mean to accuse you of that, since you did not explicitly say that like the others did, but my rant was after quoting your post, so I can see how it looks that way and I apologise for that.
I remember a time when atheists used to mock conservatives for fearing that Sharia law could be implemented in Western countries in the future if we kept letting Muslims immigrate here, and now the big boogeyman is whitey who wants a white ethnostate. There isn't going to be a white ethnostate any more than there is going to be Sharia law or Christian theocracy. These are wild dreams that those extremist types have, that are never going to come to pass. Yeah, it's fucked up that some people may want a white ethnostate, kicking out every rightful citizen, but unless they have a magic wand, they're not getting their wish. They can have their naughty thoughts and I'm still not going to call that terrorism unless they do what the dictionary actually defines as terrorism. I'm not for making thought crime a thing.
And that folks, is a Trumpster white supremacist, believing in the Great Replacement theory; the theory again so you know it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement
Quote:The Great Replacement (French: Grand Remplacement), also known as the replacement theory,[1][2] is a white nationalist[3] far-right[4] conspiracy theory[5][6][7] which states that, with the complicity or cooperation of "replacist" elites,[a][5][8] the white French population—as well as white European population at large—is being progressively replaced with non-European peoples—specifically Arab, Berber and sub-Saharan Muslim populations