RE: Far-Right Extremism Is a Global Problem
February 9, 2021 at 8:44 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2021 at 8:50 pm by Irreligious Atheist.)
You won the argument. I changed my original claim. Take that as a success. If I end up thinking more like you, it will take me more than a couple of days to get there.
I appreciate what you have posted and the time you put into it. I've been reading and posting on different atheist forums for the last 15 years, and over and over I've heard people say that the Republican party is on its' deathbed because of changing demographics/ immigration. This is part of the reason why a good deal of whites want limited immigration. Of course many of them would rather have some kind of party that's even more right wing, but the Repubs are the best option they have at the moment. Sure, I do watch plenty of conservative media like Louder with Crowder and content like that, because I agree with some of what they are saying and I find them to be good entertainers who make me laugh, but I also watch people on the opposite end of the spectrum like Vaush and progressive news channels. There's nothing wrong with getting a good laugh out of conservative figures like Crowder. There are some pretty hilarious conservatives. Alex Jones gets the Joe Rogan podcast more views than anyone else for a reason. I also find OJ Simpson to be very entertaining to watch for a good laugh. That doesn't mean I think it's A OK to murder white women and cut their heads off.
I understand that far-right extremism is an issue and I agree that threads like this should be made and this issue should be talked about, but I do think it's overblown a bit. There has always been far-right extremism, but now everyone is panicking about it when they weren't really doing that before. They should be at the top of the terror threat list. Black identitarians are near the top of the list and commit acts of violence at Jewish temples over and over again, and no one's freaking out over that though, or even talking about it. I just think we need to fear these things at the level that they actually exist at. Sure, the former POTUS got 74 million votes, and that's a bit nuts, but all Republican politicians are fucked up. Many took the position that Pence would have been even worse. 79 terrorist killings by white supremacist terrorists in 8 years and a joke of a 'coup attempt' where not one shot was fired by Magastan, and people cry out for mass censorship, an end to free speech, hate speech laws, new terrorism legislation, etc. People bring up how white supremacist ideology needs to be suppressed, but no one is worried about black identitarianism and they call it racist when the FBI labels black identitarianism as one of the top terrorism threats.
I never even really thought of myself as white or identified as white until a few years back. I just thought of myself as a human being. My friends in school were mostly Muslims. I had a Korean best friend. My idols were almost all black. I worshiped Michael Jackson, Tupac, Michael Jordan, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, etc. It's only when the media started to push racial division and started demonizing white people, obsessing over race, and making it so bigoted language against whites was the last acceptable form of racism that I took a look at things and said, what the hell. White people being shit on non-stop is what made me start identifying more as white. I know we're not going to agree that the media pushes propaganda to divide the races, but it couldn't be more clearer to me. The powers that be want us to hate each other so we take our focus off of the fucked up shit they do. They want us fighting amongst ourselves so we see each other as the enemy, rather than see them as the enemy.
As far as free speech goes, I don't see the expression of white supremacist ideology or groups like the Proud Boys being nearly as big of a threat as you see them. The real threat to me is government and the establishment. They want more and more power and are never satisfied, so they continue to take away our civil liberties piece by piece, year after year. Without fail, there's always a new excuse to take more rights away from us or some new boogeyman. Muslims, Russians, whitey, and it goes on and on. My argument is not just about a slippery slope. We are far past that. American citizens have been blown up from the skies without trial. Journalists imprisoned. Not only conservative, but liberals and progressives are victims of a great deal of censorship online. In the UK, police have stopped people from standing outside holding signs that criticize Islam. The police stop Christians from preaching on the sidewalk at gay pride parades here in Canada. People have been fined large sums of money here in Canada for making offensive jokes at comedy shows. Police are showing up at people's homes in the UK because they misgendered someone on twitter. This is all insanity, and it's only going to get worse. I see this as a far bigger threat than the Proud Boys, black identitarians, or some other similar groups.
I appreciate what you have posted and the time you put into it. I've been reading and posting on different atheist forums for the last 15 years, and over and over I've heard people say that the Republican party is on its' deathbed because of changing demographics/ immigration. This is part of the reason why a good deal of whites want limited immigration. Of course many of them would rather have some kind of party that's even more right wing, but the Repubs are the best option they have at the moment. Sure, I do watch plenty of conservative media like Louder with Crowder and content like that, because I agree with some of what they are saying and I find them to be good entertainers who make me laugh, but I also watch people on the opposite end of the spectrum like Vaush and progressive news channels. There's nothing wrong with getting a good laugh out of conservative figures like Crowder. There are some pretty hilarious conservatives. Alex Jones gets the Joe Rogan podcast more views than anyone else for a reason. I also find OJ Simpson to be very entertaining to watch for a good laugh. That doesn't mean I think it's A OK to murder white women and cut their heads off.
I understand that far-right extremism is an issue and I agree that threads like this should be made and this issue should be talked about, but I do think it's overblown a bit. There has always been far-right extremism, but now everyone is panicking about it when they weren't really doing that before. They should be at the top of the terror threat list. Black identitarians are near the top of the list and commit acts of violence at Jewish temples over and over again, and no one's freaking out over that though, or even talking about it. I just think we need to fear these things at the level that they actually exist at. Sure, the former POTUS got 74 million votes, and that's a bit nuts, but all Republican politicians are fucked up. Many took the position that Pence would have been even worse. 79 terrorist killings by white supremacist terrorists in 8 years and a joke of a 'coup attempt' where not one shot was fired by Magastan, and people cry out for mass censorship, an end to free speech, hate speech laws, new terrorism legislation, etc. People bring up how white supremacist ideology needs to be suppressed, but no one is worried about black identitarianism and they call it racist when the FBI labels black identitarianism as one of the top terrorism threats.
I never even really thought of myself as white or identified as white until a few years back. I just thought of myself as a human being. My friends in school were mostly Muslims. I had a Korean best friend. My idols were almost all black. I worshiped Michael Jackson, Tupac, Michael Jordan, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, etc. It's only when the media started to push racial division and started demonizing white people, obsessing over race, and making it so bigoted language against whites was the last acceptable form of racism that I took a look at things and said, what the hell. White people being shit on non-stop is what made me start identifying more as white. I know we're not going to agree that the media pushes propaganda to divide the races, but it couldn't be more clearer to me. The powers that be want us to hate each other so we take our focus off of the fucked up shit they do. They want us fighting amongst ourselves so we see each other as the enemy, rather than see them as the enemy.
As far as free speech goes, I don't see the expression of white supremacist ideology or groups like the Proud Boys being nearly as big of a threat as you see them. The real threat to me is government and the establishment. They want more and more power and are never satisfied, so they continue to take away our civil liberties piece by piece, year after year. Without fail, there's always a new excuse to take more rights away from us or some new boogeyman. Muslims, Russians, whitey, and it goes on and on. My argument is not just about a slippery slope. We are far past that. American citizens have been blown up from the skies without trial. Journalists imprisoned. Not only conservative, but liberals and progressives are victims of a great deal of censorship online. In the UK, police have stopped people from standing outside holding signs that criticize Islam. The police stop Christians from preaching on the sidewalk at gay pride parades here in Canada. People have been fined large sums of money here in Canada for making offensive jokes at comedy shows. Police are showing up at people's homes in the UK because they misgendered someone on twitter. This is all insanity, and it's only going to get worse. I see this as a far bigger threat than the Proud Boys, black identitarians, or some other similar groups.
