RE: Why Atheism is Incoherent & You Aren't as Smart as You Think You Are
March 4, 2021 at 3:43 pm
(March 2, 2021 at 8:18 pm)Seax Wrote: So you've figured out that the world is, so far as anyone can tell, around four and a half billion years old, life began as self-reproducing proteins that, driven to transmute through natural selection, produced all modern species. You've figured out that Genesis is nothing but a Jewish fairy tale. You, since you're on an 'atheist forum,' think you're very clever no doubt for having figured this out. You imagine you are a part of a small, but growing, rational community of enlightened individuals.
The truth is anyone with a room temperature IQ, unless hindered by religious brainwashing, can figure this out in 2021. You aren't nearly as clever as you imagine. Because everything I mentioned in the above paragraph speaks to the universe having fundamental purpose and meaning. I am not talking about the Judeo-Christian spook of a bearded man in the sky, I'm talking about the the laws of nature themselves. If nature is deterministic, and one of the fundamental assumptions of science is that it is, then we must assume that the rise of life from proteins, and the ever upward development, through struggle, of life from these early proteins to complex, highly advanced lifeforms like men has been predetermined by the very laws of nature themselves. Nature then is not meaningless, without purpose, but has goals and ends. The laws of nature themselves are an expression of God.
Think about it! You know that the Hebrew account of a God apart from nature creating everything is nothing but a fairy tail, yet you persist in the Judeo-Christian error of denying the obvious purpose and meaning in nature. To the Christian nature is nothing but a sideshow God created as a backdrop to his moral obstacle course for souls. You know that's not true, you know that man is himself a part of nature, that the universe is in motion, constantly evolving towards higher and higher states & that everything that is is a product of nature. Yet you refuse to overcome Christian nihilism towards nature, to accept that these natural processes are not meaningless or without purpose or direction. Nature; the universe, is directed by Divine Will. That is what the laws of nature, whether they be the laws of gravity, chemistry or biology, are; the Will of God!
No problem. I’ll give a serious reply.
1. The 4.56 billion y old is not something that I have figured out. That is data that comes from various scientists.
2. Proteins don’t self reproduce. Abiogenesis is an unsolved problem although bits of the puzzle have been worked on.
3. According to various data coming from science, the Genesis story is just a myth coming from one or a few cultures from the middle east.
A large portion of jews and christians don’t take Genesis literally either, so atheist are not alone in not accepting Genesis as a factual account.
4. I’m new here. I just came to make contact and sometimes bounce ideas off fellow atheists. Based on their reply, it looks like most of them are tired of you.
5. Room temperature IQ? I’m not sure about that. For example, there are PhD holders, intelligent people who think Joseph Smith of the Mormon religion is a prophet.
In other words, it is possible to set aside logic and believe in these religions and in a mysterious god with mysterious plans.
“the universe having fundamental purpose and meaning”
==In order to have a purpose, an intelligence is required. My watch has a purpose. It is a tool that I use to measure time.
It is made by machine that are made by other machines that are ultimately made by humans.
“If nature is deterministic”
==Radioactivity suggests that at the very small scale, it is not deterministic.
This is why you get an exponential equation.
N = N0 * e ^ (-t/z) where t is time and z = half life / ln(2)
This equation tells us about a fundamental property of nature.
“one of the fundamental assumptions of science is that it is”
==Yes, back in the early 1930 and before that.
But, data started piling up as research was conducted. That view changed when it was demonstrated how successful quantum mechanics is.
“The laws of nature themselves are an expression of God.”
==Wouldn’t the laws that govern this alien god, his universe, his brothers and sisters .... Wouldn’t the laws also be created by another alien god?
--Ferrocyanide
