Who has killed more - Satan or God?

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Don't you think the killings/atrocities committed by God can be considered as a "murder"?

No. The authors of the bible describe, from everything they observed and wrote down, that God is just and good. Yet you think they said the opposite. I would suggest that you misunderstand what you see.

To the perspective of authors of the bible, yes, God is just and good. In modern time [Present], our perspective is opposite- I was asking out of perspective not by authors of the bible, I meant ours. For example, I do not consider Leviticus 20:13 is just and good - To me, it is a form of "murder". But what says you?

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
If Christians consider that verse as a "law" so they can kill homosexual since it is just "kill" and didn't considered as a "murder" since Christians didn't break the law?

1. That is a law of the time, applicable only to that time.
2. The law decides what is 'just'. In my country there is no death penalty, so the law doesn't prescribe killing at all. It allows some killing to be justly motivated though.

To #1, Agreed. The executions of homosexuals happened in the bible's period of time.
To #2, You're lucky to live in your country, rather than being as a resident in China.

Or God can do whatever he wishes since he's all-powerful?

God can only do what is logically possible, as he is a logical God. He cannot be bad, or do evil, or he would not be God (The Christian God).

In my perspective, I can't say the actions of Christian God [or Yahweh] against homosexuals are justified and good. Plus, there is slavery and some things are condoned by god in the bible.

Do I need to prove the atrocities/killings committed by God? The bible mentioned all of that shit already.

Indeed you do, because the bible says the opposite to that.

Even although I didn't mention the followers of god, considered god's action against homosexuals are considered as evil, unjust and atrocity. Or did I? I clear the misunderstanding in that topic. it's matter of perspective in our modern time, not in perspective of followers [or authors of bible] in the bible period. My apologies for the misunderstandings.

The bar graph of kill count by god- it's all summed up according to the bible [if you considered the bible as a "actual evidence" or not]. It's all in the bible, in the verses which we describe god's behavior with humanity.

Yes. The just taking of life. No murder.

In the perspective of followers in the bible period [or the perspective of authors of the bible], you are correct. However, in modern time, my perspective is opposite.

I don't see TheSummerQueen's post in this thread and I don't recall of what has she said. Could you please refer me to the source?

Sure. It's here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-9333-pos...#pid202415

Thanks for the reference. It cleared things up.

If God is trying to solve the "sin" problem then the atrocities against humanity does not make sense.

There are no "attrocities against humanity". You don't like the idea of humans sufferring. Neither do I. Do we think it just for a mother to defend a child by taking a life? How can we not allow God the same right?

In my perspective, the verses in the context is an atrocious act against humanity. But I'm glad you made clear that we don't like the idea of human beings suffering. About Mother to protect her offspring by taking a life - Logically speaking, God should be unable to condone the killings against humanity, if humanity is his creation [in other words, his children].

That make me to think -did authors of the bible describe Christian God [or Yahweh] are protective of his followers [children] rather than nonbelievers, infidels and heathens?

God is supposedly omniscient, yet let Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit? Or that's a story to describe our nature? A metaphoric story for human beings capable of doing good things also doing evil things? Or a metaphoric story of disobedience against god?

It sets out our nature, as capable of understanding good and bad and choosing.

It's the starting point for this point of view: that human beings aren't perfect. A philosophical anchor point.

So the bible says. But you are correct of human beings aren't perfect. We can improve ourselves peacefully as possible.

I should have said 'serious" instead of literal. Before, I thought literal is one of synonymic word for seriousness.

To me it's an incorrect understanding. People call it literal because they want to take the english approximation of the original language literally, rather than the actual meaning that can be thoroughly understood done seriously.

I understand, there's versions of the Bible such as King James Version, English, Hebrew or foreign languages. The mistranslations [or taken out of context] may be made. If you consider the story of Adam and Eve not as actual, but an actual meaning to describe our human nature, I can respect that.

Well, the bible did mentioned that god is omniscient. Why punish humanity with "sin" that God created in first? If forbidden fruit don't consist of "sin" but conscience then why god punish humanity for ability to distinguish between good and evil?

The 'sin' was to choose death over life. All sin is people choosing what is destructive to them. Togetherness with God is what's good for us. If you said that in different words you might not have a problem with it.

If Christians like believe in what is good, that's fine to me. Anyone have their methods.