How to beat a presupp at their own game

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hi everyone,

I'm an atheist, although I've really just suppressed my belief in God for 30 years... which is what some theists will tell me. I joined Discord a week ago and I listened to the chats in one of the theist servers

The chat server is filled with presupps and the number one objection for atheism that I hear is what grounds our atheism? What grounds do we have for facts and knowledge? How can we know anything in a godless world?

From their view, God is the foundation of knowledge. It's self-justifying - how do they know? God revealed it through special and divine revelation and therefore they cannot be wrong. So to deny this, means that atheists are appealing to a non-personal universe (??) (I'm probably not stating this argument 100%, I"m tired and haven't slept)

If you say the universe is my starting point as an atheist, they'll say what grounds the universe?

One of the primary presupps there is Darth Darkins. Anyone know how to dismantle this type of argument?

On the face of it, it's a circular argument that boils down to, 'I believe in God because God told me I believe in God'. But if you want to beat them at their own game, question their questions.

'What grounds your atheism?' 'Why does my atheism need grounding at all?'

'What grounds your facts and knowledge?' 'You don't really grasp what atheism is, do you?'

'How can you know anything in a godless world?' 'How can YOU know anything in a godded one?'

'What grounds the universe?' 'What grounds God? If God doesn't require grounding, why should the universe?'

And so on. Since it isn't possible to logically refute an argument that isn't based in logic in the first place, your best option is to make them look silly for asking these non-questions.

Boru