(March 26, 2021 at 12:47 pm)Superjock Wrote: Hi there, no I haven't debated Darth who is the one who has put this argument forth to atheists. I'm not knowledgeable enough to take him on yet. :His reasoning is that in a godless world, there is nothing absolute and ultimate to ground all possibility and impossibility. It's a universe based on chance, so the laws of physics may change tomorrow. Also, his argument is that all facts and knowledge in a godless world are arbitrary, whereas in his worldview knowledge can only be attained through the Christian God because he is omniscient and all-powerful and institutes that which is fundamental and ultimate etc, etc.
To fellow atheists, somewhat different question - but a question I often see from theists. The question goes : where do atheists get their basis to justify any claim they make?
Order (as opposed to random chaos) and logic exist. If they didn't we wouldn't be around to be debating order and logic.
This does not mean "God exists", unless one defines God to be the cause of order as opposed to chaos (if there is even such a cause). But, even if one did that, please tell me the properties of this God? Is it some fundamental logical law? Is it a fundamental particle? Is it a multi-dimensional manifold?
Of course, theists will claim it is their Christian deity - a thinking being that wants worship and obedience. There is absolutely zero evidence or logic that would justify such a belief.
Intelligence and consciousness are emergent properties of a complex underlying unthinking process. The ground of all being is likely to be extremely simple, not infinitely complex such a s an omnipotent conscious being.
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Where do atheists get their basis to justify any claim? From human experience, logic and science -- exactly where anyone gets a basis for any claim. Do theists get special information from a god? Let them prove it.
