RE: How to beat a presupp at their own game
March 27, 2021 at 7:48 am
(This post was last modified: March 27, 2021 at 7:49 am by Superjock.)
(March 27, 2021 at 5:11 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Hello again Superjock.
I'd just like to interact with you for a bit myself.
Do you know what the Theists mean when they ask for 'Absolute'?
I find myself puzzling over the definition/answer required myself.
For example. Science/people know of the concept of 'Absolute zero'. Juet because we have the concept of that particular 'Absolute' doesn't mean that we can achieve such a state controlled or otherwise. Nor does that absolute carry over into their conversation.
I also find the idea that because person a admits/states 'No absolute' thence the next reply is "Hah! Can't know anyhthing!" has also always left me scratching my head.
I just don't see how they get from idea 'A' to idea (Or rebbutal) 'B'.
Still. Hope everyone's replys are helpful. I'm also learning a lot as posts add up.
Much cheers.
So Darths argument starts with the following - in the Christian worldview God is the ultimate and necessary prerequisite and basis for all intelligibiliy, facts and truth). How does he know that? Because God revealed it through divine revelation and did so in a way that he couldn't be wrong. Now by denying this worldview, by necessity, you are denying the Christian God.
SO....of course at this point you'll say I don't believe the Christian worldview. So if someone doesn't believe God is the ultimate and necessary prerequisite and basis for all intelligiblity then he will say, OKAY THEN, so what is your framework with which to ground your foundation - WHAT IS FUNDAMENTAL AND ULTIMATE that grounds all facts and constitutes what is possible and what is impossible?
Most atheists will then say, "I don't know", or some presuppose reality. Then he will say, what grounds reality concretely? "I don't know", says the atheist. "Okay, so your position is then arbitrary and incoherent" then. You can't know anything in a godless world - it's a universe of chance according to the atheist position.
I apologise if I haven't restated his position perfectly but it's a lot to remember. You can find out for yourself by googling or watching youtube videos. But even if we ignore Darth, his followers are using this logic so I'd like to know how to refute his position and so far I don't think I've heard a slamdunk yet, but I could be wrong.
Anyone else who can do the legwork and report back here with a refutation?
