Who has killed more - Satan or God?

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Can't you maybe just think for yourself. You are just applying someone else's thought as your own... Just because a bunch of assholes said it thousands of years ago doesn't mean it is fact.
You should be a little sceptical of it.

Absolutely we need to think for ourselves. Point here is people saying that isn't what they said back then, when clearly it was.

Um, how about the flood? God didn't like the choices the world was making so he murdered the entire planet. Worst overreaction ever. Satan never went that far.

Whatever Gods reaction it was just. In Xtianity Jesus is the solution to that problem: God forgives and provides a way back.

To the perspective of authors of the bible, yes, God is just and good. In modern time [Present], our perspective is opposite- I was asking out of perspective not by authors of the bible, I meant ours. For example, I do not consider Leviticus 20:13 is just and good - To me, it is a form of "murder". But what says you?

Secular morality changes with the times. I believe that verse to refers to a secular law.

The law from God was right, the interpreters got it wrong sometimes. Jesus corrected the interpretations.

To #1, Agreed. The executions of homosexuals happened in the bible's period of time.
To #2, You're lucky to live in your country, rather than being as a resident in China.

#1 Yes I think that was very wrong. If 10% of people are homosexual (something I was told in school), I don't think it helps at all for ppl to be marginalised or persecuted.
#2 Yes I appreciate that.

In my perspective, I can't say the actions of Christian God [or Yahweh] against homosexuals are justified and good. Plus, there is slavery and some things are condoned by god in the bible.

/ In the perspective of followers in the bible period [or the perspective of authors of the bible], you are correct. However, in modern time, my perspective is opposite.

Well put.

Me neither. But I don't think that God condoned those things. Looking at slavery recently I understood that Gods influence on the slaves who became slave owners was to treat them more fairly that was common at the time.

I think that God's revelation of himself to his people was never "you shall do this without thinking about it". He didn't give them knowledge beyond their current understanding... hence the references in their own language and cultural framework of the way the cosmos was made up for example. His message was given using their setting, and not ours.

(hope that makes sense!)

About Mother to protect her offspring by taking a life - Logically speaking, God should be unable to condone the killings against humanity, if humanity is his creation [in other words, his children].

If the killing is just, then God can have no problem with it > being just.

If it is unjust, and the result of someone being bad, then God would have a problem with that bad act. We're going into the murky waters of free choice:

For us to be free to choose we must have the ability to do both right and wrong, without a higher power limiting that choice. If we choose bad, then the good deity is sad. I believe that in the end love always wins/ justice prevails.

That make me to think -did authors of the bible describe Christian God [or Yahweh] are protective of his followers [children] rather than nonbelievers, infidels and heathens?

The OT certainly says that. It also says that it rains on both equally.

If Christians like believe in what is good, that's fine to me. Anyone have their methods.

Yes definitely

Kudos Blam

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1. Killing isn't bad. Murder is bad. God murdered no one. (eg a mother kills someone about to kill her child - a just taking of life)

I'm just gonna pretend that your point is valid and ask, if god was all-mighty, all-wise and all that stuff why did he even have to resort to such a barbaric act as killing, surely he could've thought of something better than what the average caveman would've come up with?

lol Well... there's the whole torture in eternity thing if that floats your boat.

Like I just said above... the biblical account never offers new scientific revelations beyond the culturally accepted one of the time. Min's flood account confirms that.