Quote:(November 6, 2011 at 7:18 pm)IATIA Wrote:(November 6, 2011 at 3:01 am)IATIA Wrote: I feel like I have free will, so I must, but my scientific mind tells me otherwise. Just our awareness alone has many unanswered issues. The "Why am I me' thread does not seem to be really going anywhere.
(November 6, 2011 at 5:06 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Not surprising. Who would you want to be?
Just pulling your leg friend. I have not read your O P.
The "Why am I me" was a thread started by another basically dealing with 'I think, therefore I am, but what am I'.
(November 6, 2011 at 5:06 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: On free will though, seem you think that free will means being able to exceed the bounds of nature and physics.
Am I reading you right?
Unanswered issues does not mean that you do not have the free will to pursue those issues and answer them.
I am still on the bench on free will. If free will is a product of the body, how can it be 'free'?
Free will would be from where the will is and that can only be the body.
I do not understand with your "how can it be 'free'?"
Free will is simply the ability to choose from given choices on the menu. So to speak. If you are given a choice between a or b or c, without any coercion attached to any of them, and if you can choose and get either of them, then you have free will.
Quote:If free will is external to the biochemical physiology, then what is it's container?
It is not as I just stated. Your brain is the container of will.
Quote: For that matter, what is the container of our awareness?
As far as we can tell and this seems to be well proven, the brain.
We are not 100% sure of how the brain produces consciousness but we know it does. Jay Ingram of dixcovery chanel wrote a book not to long agao that speaks to this and how science does not yet have all the answers.
Quote:If we have 'free will', then we have already "exceeded the [known] bounds of nature and physics".
Only if you willed to fly, for instance and did so.
Again, you would have to expand on that. All of this is not free will in heaven though.
I do not want to derail here but I just made an offer to FNM.
"I cannot help you with the afterlife but there is a little test that I have devised to prove that we humans have a free will.
Strange though that many do not want to try it. I have found that in religious as well as non religious circles. many seem afraid to either give clear moral answers to simple questions as well as a reluctance to prove to themselves that they have a free will.
If you are interested in my little simple test, let me know by P M and I will meet you there. Perhaps if I convince you, we can collaborate on an O P and you might see how few actually go for it.
I make the same offer to you.
Regards
DL