How to beat a presupp at their own game

[Superjock]

Do the things that physical laws describe really require an explanation for their consistency? We're not aware of any reason they ought to change in the first place; and lacking that isn't it unsurprising that they don't?

Well this is interesting to discuss, because Christian presupps need a justification from atheists regarding the laws of logic, or laws of nature. What grounds the laws of physics? Since their God basically is the ultimate foundation for the intelligibility of facts, that's how THEY can reason. But since we do NOT reference God, who is all-knowing, all-powerful etc, we can't know anything at all.

That is their argument. There is nothing preventing the laws of nature from changing in 5 seconds, so it's all arbitrary.

I don't know if it's necessary for us to know what the justification is, as long as we have a justification. We don't need to KNOW it, in order to have knowledge. I've been listening in on the discord discussion debates, and in the server I go to, Reformation, many theists bring this up.

But I've learned a few things since we I started this thread. I've learned about internal and external justification and internal and external critique. What they are doing is demanding an external critique of our worldview (how do you know, how do  you know you know?) while demanding an internal critique of their worldview. It's a double standard, that's what I've picked up from listening to these debates.

I just would like to defend my worldview as much as possible. However I know now that you can't justify reason using reason as that would be circular reasoning, so in order to get out of that you just can't justify your presuppositions. They are assumptions, articles of faith. However then the Christian will say "so you CAN'T justify anything at all in your worldview since it's all just assumptions on your part".

But they also can't justify their presuppositions without arguing in a circle.