(May 12, 2021 at 9:04 pm)Flavius007 Wrote: Well, those arguments are very shallow and simplified.Wow, new guy comes out swinging. Please let him know he can pick up his congeniality sash.
It's all about being indoctrinated?Really? In Europe, especially in Croatia, there is almost no Christian fundamentalists
or Bible believing Christians.
I don't believe possessed teenage girl or adult man or woman are that indoctrinated. I was also deep into Catholic faith, reading about everything, from saints, miracles and theology and this stuff. I was indoctrinated from atheistic point of view into catholic religion. How than I didn't screaming? I was also listened to heavy metal music in that time.
You assuming that being into religion is what making some people to behave like possession? Why then all possession manifestations are similar? Why then someone who is believing he is possessed aren't screaming for help like in panic attacks? It is very obvious that these people (whether they are possessed or not) are suffering. I've been there are it is very painful to watch. I know that this people been to doctor or psychaitrist and that they are sent to priest or Catholic mass for spiritual healing.
How can you explain that? You know that so called possessed people went to doctor and in some cases they went to Catholic mass? Is doctor really that dumb and he doesnt know all this objection you posted?
Well, you can ask almost any practicing Catholic who is active in Church and he will tell you almost same as I.
I was there, looking at pale thin girl, who suddenly started to spit and speak in laungage that seems very weird to me, it is not english and it is not just random words (well maybe it is) and it sounds like was there many other voices (?) or they sound like male from female throat? Is this just a placebo effect? It is very hard to believe that. And is hard to believe that parents indoctrinated their child into religion so much that they make a monster alike from their child. Well, it is that the case than it seems to me like they (the children) were in some sort of religious cult from vulnerable early age. That is not true. It doesn't make sense and it's far fetched.
I know male adult who had same possession manifestations in Međugorje sanctuary and he was not into faith of any kind, I don't know him personally, but I think he was pretty ordinary. I don't believe it is all autosuggested in his head, he just tripping in his head and he have weird somatic manifestations (I have a filmed video of that).
Well, this is how I actually look at things.
If I suppose that all this so-called demonic possession all around the Western world are actually just mental states or some kind of illness of individual than I had a hard task to rationalise all this manifestations, and this is what I done. I didn't suddenly accept it as a demonic activities, I was looking for scientific explanation. And I don't see any good and satisfactory explanation.
If I suppose that spiritual realm exist and we are not just stuff made of atoms but a spiritual being with body, then this possession phenomena making this view more stronger. And science cannot deny existence of spiritual realm, and cannot deny existence of God. I don't need evidence, I need only good reasons to believe. And yes I believe there some Higher Force (whatever you wanna call it) exist.
This doesn't look like the musings of an atheist.
We shall see.
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