Why God doesn't stop satan?

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm already convinced that your religion is real.....you do exist, after all.  If you think that arguing your god into existence would make me or anyone else a muslim, well..you couldn't be more wrong about a fairly simple thing.  So yeah, that would be completely pointless.  I have no use for, no interest in, and nothing but disgust for your religion.  It's not an issue of whether or not your club exists, or even your clubs fairy president existing.   You are either right about a god existing and belong to a dumspter fire of a faith, or you are wrong about a god existing and still belong to a dumpster fire of a faith.

I never claimed that these arguments prove Islam. The way any Muslim apologist will procede is by trying to separately prove the existence of a just deity. Next, because the deity is just, there has to be at least one correct revelation from it. The monumental task is of course to prove Islam is the best candidate for this correct revelation. This is the only way I know to procede and there is no other way to argue methodologically in favor of Muslim faith.

I will go further and say that, not only Islam is the best candidate, it is the only possible candidate. The two other Abrahamic religions don't have authentic sources to begin with. The Bible is nothing more than conflicting accounts of what Jesus might have said. At least the Qur'an is a verbatim recitation whose historical accuracy is guaranteed by oral transmissions of large crowds of people; the Bible just can't beat this one.

Having had this conversation with you many times, I'm beginning to worry you won't ever understand no matter how plainly and how often I express myself.

Tell me that the sources your religion cribbed from are garbage, and I think you have a problem...but..... honestly, you could save your breath entirely with me   I don't care whether or not your silly god exists, because it's a garbage god.  I won't join your club because you're bad people with bad beliefs.  Do you understand?

Of course there are other minds, nobody is arguing about that except solipsists. You say that you personally don't have a hard solipsism problem, well fine good for you. Still, the possibility of us being brains in a vat just can't be ruled out without theism, or more generally some axiom about a caring entity guaranteeing we are not brains in a vat.

Excellent, minds apart from god that are not gods mind.  There goes the idea that he wrote our minds with his will. The question still remains as to whether any of our minds or wills are free.

They are not mutually exclusive, it's just going to be your word against mine. Why can't the foreknown events be exactly those that an agent will do by their free will, how do you rule this one out ? 

It's not your word against mine, it's the one word against the other.  If it can be known that you will do x, you cannot do other than x  

 As I explained repeatedly it's better to think of the deity as the asymptotic limit of some simpler example, a father who predicts what flavor of ice cream his daughter will pick doesn't negate her free will, if we assume the father has perfect foreknoweldge of his daughter's future, that just means he knows her very, very, very (well, infinitely) well, it doesn't mean that he intervenes physically to impede her freedom.

Still babbling about intervention.  It's knowing that presents a problem for free will.  Not force, as I've explained every time you've argued against force.  

This is simply false. If one manages to prove that the theistic God exists, then forcibly people have free will. It's true that some logical proof doesn't change the state of affairs in this world. But how much we know about the world anyway ? It's like saying proving general relativity, a theory of gravitation, has no consequence on the fact that  we are systematically attracted to the ground. Well sure, but proving the premise of relativity changed the way we look at gravity, it becam a natural property of our universe, not some magical force we could only speculate about.

The same thing is true with free will. Everyone has their own speculation on free will, but if one independently proves there is a god, then the possible speculations on free will just narrow down.

And how else should one argue for their faith other than by forcing conclusions? Like I said everyone has their own flavor of religion and God, but this is simply because people don't think rationally, and when they do, it's very rarely about religion and beliefs.

That's not actually how logic works.  If person proved that gods existed, that would prove nothing about humans having a particular ability.  You say alot of shit, when you start getting shit right, even by accident, that will be swell.