Why God doesn't stop satan?

[The Grand Nudger]

If you are that careless about God's existence and religions, I guess you are in the wrong thread, then.

Actually, Kloro, it's probably you, that has come to the wrong place.  Food for thought.  

Once again, you're not taking the time parameter into account. Now you just look like this bad, stubborn student who keeps forgetting to draw the z-axis, because everything is simple in an XY-plane.

What God knows, exactly, is this : "You will choose, at a given moment t, to do X". Notice how choice is a temporary possibility. Past the moment t, choice and free will cease to have meaning. And because you drop the time parameter, you allow yourself to assess the agent's free will past the moment where he could have free will. I see what you did there captain. 

And frankly, to think that all these philosophers of Islam out there - including those who were considered heretics -who discussed free will lengthily missed your point, and went on discussing possible reconciliations without noticing what you think are mutually exclusive concepts........

There is no time gate to a pre-knower. "Philosophers of islam" just makes me laugh. The term you're looking for is shaman, witchdoctor.

Yeah it clearly presents a problem for free will, for you. Because your definition of free will is flawed in the first place, namely, you speak of it as if it were some timeless ability of an individual.

Not at all.  Whether a god can force our hand is irrelevant to me.  It doesn't take a god to zero out free will.  People can do it to each other in any manner of ways.  I'm only telling you that you appear to have the situation entirely backwards..because your beliefs palpably depend on you getting it wrong.

The issue between free will and preknowledge, for the umpteenth time. Is that -if it can be known...even if it isn't known, even if no one knows it, even if no one -makes- it happen, that you will select x..... You cannot do otherwise. You do not, in fact, have any choice in the matter. Preknowledge is fatalism. No matter what happens from this moment to the next, no matter what you want, no matter who you are, what you will do..not might do, could do, are inclined to do...a dad could guess about his daughters doing....will do is set. There is no room in this universe for free will. You, Kloro, and not me, insist that we live in such a universe.

Should I believe the one thing you believe, or the other? Which is true, since you believe you have a strong commitment to truth? Which of you two assholes is right? Has a god set my every decision, or known my every decision, from before the moment I was ever born, from before my mother was born, and here mother, so on and so forth, and regardless of all of that change and variance in between...or, to put it plainly, do I have a free will in any way shape sense or form? You may be able to hold directly contradictory beliefs...but you are broken, and I am not. You have to decide what's more important to you. The claimed abilities of a god, or the abilities you claim for yourself.

...and remember, when you're done with all of that, cleaning up your own shitty mess...I'll remind you that your god is filth, and your beliefs are worthy of contempt. GLHF