The reason religion is so powerful

[Mister Agenda]

Supporters of partial birth abortion are extremists. The first people to muddy the waters were those using the phrase forced birth. I am willing to allow that an embryo has developmentally appropriate rights in the same sense that children have fewer rights than adults.

That supporters of partial birth abortion are extremists is nonsense. The idea that it's common for a woman to wake up one morning in her 8th month and decide delivering is no longer convenient for her so. When you're late-term the woman has almost always decided to deliver and wants a baby. If the fetus is dead and they remove it, the procedure is still an abortion, and it's not good for the pregnant woman to keep a dead fetus in her womb. Late-term abortions are required by law to be medically necessary, whether because there's something seriously wrong with the fetus or it is a doctor's opinion that giving birth is too dangerous to the mother.

How is the phrase 'force birth' muddying the waters? If abortion is illegal for any reason the pregnant woman who wants one is not giving birth by choice, she is being forced to give birth through the power of the state or face whatever consequences are being imposed.

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Forced birth does seem oddly inverted—am I forcing people into poverty by preventing a robbery?

If you use force to prevent a robbery it's, wait for it, use of force. Even if you think abortion is murder, making it illegal is still forcing women to give birth against their will. It is what it is. If you're not comfortable with the language, maybe don't support forcing women to give birth against their will.

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You guys don't care how it affects or impacts the woman; you care about the ideology. You would maintain your position in the absence of any impact, and even in the presence of harm, as Helios demonstrates:

"Too bad I never said doing [abortions] at home should be illegal."

So one quote from one person illustrates what we all think. That's another level of thinking right there.