RE: Why God doesn't stop satan?
June 25, 2021 at 3:59 pm
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2021 at 4:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 25, 2021 at 3:30 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:The logical incompatibility between free will and foreknowledge has absolutely nothing to do with me, or my time contingency. Like force, you don't understand the issue, so you argue a non issue. You and I may be in some time contingent relationship, but the fore-knower isn't...foreknowledge itself, absent any actual fore-knower, isn't. You've asserted a state of affairs in which free will is impossible, and then declared, nevertheless, that we have it.(June 24, 2021 at 11:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Rejecting theism is even easier than understanding the incompatibility between foreknowledge and free will. A person doesn't need to know that to know that they think your stories are ridiculous. Here again, it makes no sense to call what you cannot but do a free anything.
For the umpteenth time, what you can and cannot do is contingent upon time, the moment of taking action/choosing, and also upon the circumstances. One obviously has no free will if they are dead, drugged, unconscious, etc. One can clearly make the distinction between consciously and willingly moving the knee forward and having a knee jerk reaction. Why doesn't it make sense to call the first instance free will ? Add an entity who has foreknowledge and nothing changes - you yourself repeat this line of thought quite frequently, proving existence of a deity doesn't change people's ability, well, neither does the deity who has foreknowledge.
And I don't think you have solid proof disproving theistic belief systems like Islam, or Judaism. People much smarter than you and me tried to disprove these religious beliefs unsuccessfully, the best thing thay can do is to be an agnostic and ask for proof.
One of the two things you believe is flatly false by reference to the other, by definition, no less...... That's all there is. I don't care which of the two you feel is important enough to save vs which you have to jettison for the good of the other. I assume you would protect god's abilities over your own...but, hey, anything could happen.
Quote:So? So what if a god unjustly punished us for actions we take. It would still be a god. If we had no free will, that's what a god would be doing. It's hilarious that you would argue that we had free will to avoid that negatively valued consequence after asserting it as a matter of your faith. You call other people who believe this fatalists and insist that they are in the minority. What do you think that makes you?(June 24, 2021 at 11:27 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: See, I had a suspicion it would be something completely derp, like this. There's no reason why that's clear, and..in fact, a significant number of abrahamic cultists don't believe that man has a free will. There isn't any literature about reconciling foreknowledge and free will. You need it to be true because you believe it imperils your god...even though it doesn't. Meanwhile, it is fairly clear that and why foreknowledge precludes free will, as you notice...by definition. Seems to me that a god breathed truth ought to stand up to more scrutiny than that.
If we truly have no free will, the deity would definitely be unjust punishing us for any action we undertake. This is clearly against the most basic articles of faith in Islam. Muslims who endorse this idea are known as Jabriyah' (fatalists)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabriyah
But this group are a minority. A leading Muslim theologian defending this doctrine (Jahm bin Safwan) was even considered as a disbeliever by many Muslim scholars contemporary to him.
I really don't know what to tell you. You insist that god is doing exactly that, but can't be satisfied with your own silly god, imagining a superpower that we possess, which you then explicitly reject. in order to save your gods character.
Your god is filth. Why would I care whether trashgod existed? Do you? Do you worship trashgod....?
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