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What Gives You Peace....
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RE: What Gives You Peace....
(July 2, 2021 at 8:10 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(July 2, 2021 at 7:56 am)brewer Wrote: Couldn't the same be said for any groups promoting social enrichment/benefit?

This could also be used to explain the influence of cults.

I'm not asking if there aren't secular means to find happiness. What I'm asking is: can religious belief provide a sort of happiness that is on par with nonreligious ways? Or is the "bad" that comes with embracing a religious outlook so great, that the best answer is to never even attempt to bolster your happiness with religious experiences?

I did mention cults in my above post. To me, all religious organizations have a "cultiness level."

For example, Jim Jones's church would have a cultiness level of 100%.

The Hare Krishnas: 70%. A fundamentalist Baptist church maybe 55%. You mentioned your wife being a "cafeteria Catholic" ... so the cultiness of her particular situation may only be 5% (or something)-- I'm just throwing out numbers.

The point is, all religious groups are coercive to some degree (even if it's very minor). And I think a good counterargument to William James's thesis above is: Belief or religious activity opens you up to religious coercion. That may potentially outweigh any potential benefits it provides.

Didn't mention cults in the post I responded to.

I know plenty of "religious" people who are not into it for the religion/belief but the community. The herd can fulfill a lot of needs. 

I think problems begin when the person is open to compromise of their individual values. Religion requires sheep.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - June 29, 2021 at 12:39 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by onlinebiker - June 29, 2021 at 12:42 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - June 29, 2021 at 12:44 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by onlinebiker - June 29, 2021 at 12:48 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Nay_Sayer - June 29, 2021 at 12:44 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - June 29, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by no one - June 29, 2021 at 1:01 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 29, 2021 at 1:04 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Neo-Scholastic - June 29, 2021 at 1:07 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Angrboda - June 29, 2021 at 1:13 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Rev. Rye - June 29, 2021 at 1:16 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - June 29, 2021 at 1:16 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Neo-Scholastic - June 29, 2021 at 1:23 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Fake Messiah - June 29, 2021 at 1:26 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2021 at 1:28 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Pat Mustard - June 29, 2021 at 2:21 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Ranjr - June 29, 2021 at 2:52 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by brewer - June 29, 2021 at 2:53 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Astreja - June 29, 2021 at 3:18 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Abaddon_ire - June 29, 2021 at 9:10 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Neo-Scholastic - June 29, 2021 at 9:49 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Abaddon_ire - June 29, 2021 at 10:56 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - June 30, 2021 at 7:39 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Neo-Scholastic - June 30, 2021 at 11:26 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - June 30, 2021 at 11:39 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2021 at 11:34 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Valkyrie - June 29, 2021 at 11:03 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - June 29, 2021 at 11:09 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Sal - June 30, 2021 at 9:02 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by zwanzig - June 30, 2021 at 9:21 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Gwaithmir - June 30, 2021 at 9:43 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - June 30, 2021 at 3:19 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - June 30, 2021 at 4:11 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - June 30, 2021 at 4:38 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - June 30, 2021 at 4:56 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by zwanzig - June 30, 2021 at 12:00 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2021 at 12:02 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Jehanne - June 30, 2021 at 12:16 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - June 30, 2021 at 12:16 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2021 at 12:18 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - June 30, 2021 at 12:29 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - June 30, 2021 at 12:40 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by purplepurpose - July 1, 2021 at 1:28 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 2, 2021 at 7:10 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by brewer - July 2, 2021 at 7:56 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 2, 2021 at 8:10 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by brewer - July 2, 2021 at 9:02 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 2, 2021 at 11:34 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by zwanzig - July 2, 2021 at 7:34 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 2, 2021 at 7:50 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Neo-Scholastic - July 6, 2021 at 10:11 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 7, 2021 at 3:57 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ignoramus - July 2, 2021 at 7:35 am
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Grand Nudger - July 2, 2021 at 12:10 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by LadyForCamus - July 2, 2021 at 12:25 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Simon Moon - July 2, 2021 at 4:29 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - July 5, 2021 at 3:09 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - September 24, 2021 at 12:31 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2021 at 12:40 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - September 24, 2021 at 12:49 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by ronedee - September 24, 2021 at 1:14 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 1:16 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Angrboda - September 24, 2021 at 1:03 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by vulcanlogician - September 25, 2021 at 5:19 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Peebo-Thuhlu - July 2, 2021 at 4:42 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - September 24, 2021 at 12:51 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 12:54 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - September 24, 2021 at 12:56 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2021 at 12:58 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 1:00 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - September 24, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Angrboda - September 24, 2021 at 1:07 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Brian37 - September 24, 2021 at 1:11 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 1:11 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Ahriman - September 24, 2021 at 1:22 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by The Architect Of Fate - September 24, 2021 at 5:48 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by Angrboda - September 25, 2021 at 6:03 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by brewer - September 25, 2021 at 7:44 pm
RE: What Gives You Peace.... - by MadJW - September 29, 2021 at 6:51 pm

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