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The problem of the soul
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RE: The problem of the soul
(August 6, 2021 at 11:53 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(August 6, 2021 at 9:47 am)HappySkeptic Wrote: I just read about aspect dualism.  Basically it says that mind and matter as aspects of something else.

As a mystical position, positing "something else" as an explanation for the what we CAN perceive is a cop-out.  On the other hand, if mind comes from matter, and matter comes from something more fundamental, then I guess you could say that both come from something else.

I am drawn to the model that information is more fundamental than matter.  I don't know if it is the "most" fundamental -- it probably isn't.  If information is more fundamental than matter, then what is the problem with mind coming from matter?  Mind is about information processing, in way that produces the impression of a "self".

"Information" when used this way seems highly Platonic without any better way of approaching the ancient dilemmas around concepts like universals, Ideas, and essenses.

That's what I thought. Maybe even a little Pythagorean.

I hear what @HappySkeptic is saying though. It's a reduction that a physicist may be prone to make. A line of criticism, though, is that it may be too reductionist. I myself am a hopeless reductionist though. So I can sympathize, lol.
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The problem of the soul - by zwanzig - July 31, 2021 at 7:51 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Silver - July 31, 2021 at 7:56 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - July 31, 2021 at 9:43 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by no one - July 31, 2021 at 7:56 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by zwanzig - July 31, 2021 at 8:59 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by no one - July 31, 2021 at 9:36 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by no one - July 31, 2021 at 9:59 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by brewer - July 31, 2021 at 10:04 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Fake Messiah - July 31, 2021 at 10:10 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Fireball - August 4, 2021 at 10:35 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by brewer - August 5, 2021 at 5:50 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 5, 2021 at 5:59 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - July 31, 2021 at 10:13 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by HappySkeptic - July 31, 2021 at 2:19 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2021 at 3:44 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - July 31, 2021 at 4:07 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2021 at 4:33 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - July 31, 2021 at 5:00 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 31, 2021 at 5:26 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - July 31, 2021 at 8:52 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2021 at 4:04 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Astreja - August 2, 2021 at 12:54 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 2, 2021 at 11:05 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 2, 2021 at 3:11 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2021 at 3:29 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 2, 2021 at 3:43 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Astreja - August 2, 2021 at 4:34 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 4, 2021 at 9:52 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 5, 2021 at 2:50 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 5, 2021 at 5:04 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 5, 2021 at 5:13 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2021 at 4:34 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 2, 2021 at 4:55 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2021 at 5:00 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Pat Mustard - August 7, 2021 at 4:00 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 7, 2021 at 5:49 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 7, 2021 at 5:52 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 7, 2021 at 5:58 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Pat Mustard - August 8, 2021 at 4:05 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 8, 2021 at 8:49 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Pat Mustard - August 8, 2021 at 9:57 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 8, 2021 at 10:13 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - July 31, 2021 at 4:11 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by AniKoferBo - July 31, 2021 at 4:36 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by onlinebiker - August 2, 2021 at 9:13 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 5, 2021 at 10:18 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 5, 2021 at 10:51 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 5, 2021 at 4:33 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 5, 2021 at 7:13 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 6, 2021 at 4:48 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 4:54 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 6, 2021 at 10:41 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 6, 2021 at 10:45 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 6, 2021 at 10:52 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 5, 2021 at 11:52 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Neo-Scholastic - August 5, 2021 at 12:30 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 5, 2021 at 12:37 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Astreja - August 5, 2021 at 3:14 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 5, 2021 at 1:12 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 5:08 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 5:18 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 6:25 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 7:01 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2021 at 7:58 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 8:23 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by HappySkeptic - August 6, 2021 at 9:47 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2021 at 11:53 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 12:44 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by HappySkeptic - August 6, 2021 at 1:33 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 7:13 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 6, 2021 at 10:30 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 6, 2021 at 10:50 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 12:09 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 6, 2021 at 1:43 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 2:20 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 6, 2021 at 3:34 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 6, 2021 at 4:38 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 4:39 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 7, 2021 at 12:24 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 7, 2021 at 5:48 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 6, 2021 at 5:29 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 6:01 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by zwanzig - August 6, 2021 at 10:40 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 6, 2021 at 11:09 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2021 at 2:29 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 6, 2021 at 5:12 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 6, 2021 at 5:13 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by LadyForCamus - August 6, 2021 at 9:15 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by vulcanlogician - August 6, 2021 at 10:24 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 7, 2021 at 6:03 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 7, 2021 at 6:48 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 7, 2021 at 7:03 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 7, 2021 at 8:08 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Fake Messiah - August 7, 2021 at 9:55 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 7, 2021 at 11:45 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by LadyForCamus - August 7, 2021 at 12:00 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2021 at 4:13 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 8, 2021 at 4:22 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2021 at 4:29 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 8, 2021 at 8:50 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 8, 2021 at 10:31 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 8, 2021 at 11:30 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by WinterHold - August 8, 2021 at 4:26 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Spongebob - August 8, 2021 at 6:54 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2021 at 12:20 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 8, 2021 at 12:29 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Neo-Scholastic - August 9, 2021 at 8:18 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 9, 2021 at 11:15 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by The Grand Nudger - August 8, 2021 at 7:06 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 5:19 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 5:21 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 5:26 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 5:28 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 5:38 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 5:41 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 5:45 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 5:52 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 5:58 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 6:23 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 7:00 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 7:14 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 7:22 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 7:23 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by zwanzig - August 15, 2021 at 7:15 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 7:20 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 7:23 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 15, 2021 at 7:45 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 7:47 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 7:50 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 7:30 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 7:39 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Silver - August 15, 2021 at 7:48 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by zwanzig - August 15, 2021 at 10:21 am
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 12:26 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 1:03 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Abaddon_ire - August 15, 2021 at 1:07 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 1:12 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Abaddon_ire - August 15, 2021 at 1:38 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 1:46 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Abaddon_ire - August 15, 2021 at 4:45 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2021 at 4:21 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Ahriman - August 15, 2021 at 4:24 pm
RE: The problem of the soul - by Angrboda - August 15, 2021 at 1:15 pm

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