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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything?

August 21, 2021 at 8:21 pm

(October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: If everything that happens is god's will, then the only measure of right or wrong is success or failure. If it wasn't god's will for me to punch you in the face, then it wouldn't have happened. If I don't punch you in the face it's not because I'm a good person who doesn't do things like that, but because god doesn't want you to be punched in the face today by me.

Appealing to god's will allows people to sleep at night. It wipes the slate of history clean.

This is why empathy is a better foundation for moral behavior, because you have to get rid of the idea of god's will to even recognize that some things are good and some things are evil.

It's not true that God's will is always done. God wants people to do the right thing, but He gives them free will not to.

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How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 6:33 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by no one - October 10, 2018 at 6:35 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 7:13 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 7:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 7:24 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 10, 2018 at 8:34 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 10, 2018 at 9:00 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 5:25 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 7:39 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 8:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 8:45 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 9:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 9:48 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 11, 2018 at 10:13 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 10:15 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 11, 2018 at 12:22 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by HappySkeptic - October 11, 2018 at 5:55 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by RoadRunner79 - October 11, 2018 at 6:20 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 11, 2018 at 7:30 pm

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by vulcanlogician - October 11, 2018 at 7:55 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by HappySkeptic - October 12, 2018 at 10:04 am

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 10, 2018 at 7:49 pm

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by vulcanlogician - October 11, 2018 at 12:00 am

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by vulcanlogician - October 11, 2018 at 5:00 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 11, 2018 at 7:47 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 12, 2018 at 1:37 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Rhondazvous - October 11, 2018 at 12:59 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2018 at 12:05 am

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Mashmont - August 21, 2021 at 8:21 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Architect Of Fate - August 21, 2021 at 8:33 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 21, 2021 at 9:18 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by brewer - August 22, 2021 at 10:03 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Silver - August 21, 2021 at 9:22 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 21, 2021 at 9:30 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ravenshire - August 22, 2021 at 6:12 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 6:21 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ravenshire - August 22, 2021 at 6:30 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 6:33 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ravenshire - August 22, 2021 at 6:40 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 7:08 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Mashmont - August 21, 2021 at 9:35 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by vulcanlogician - August 21, 2021 at 9:44 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Architect Of Fate - August 21, 2021 at 9:37 pm

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Architect Of Fate - August 21, 2021 at 10:20 pm

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Architect Of Fate - August 22, 2021 at 6:33 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Silver - August 22, 2021 at 6:44 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by The Architect Of Fate - August 22, 2021 at 8:35 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 8:41 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ravenshire - August 22, 2021 at 9:37 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 9:47 am

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RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by arewethereyet - August 22, 2021 at 9:55 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ravenshire - August 22, 2021 at 9:57 am

RE: How Can We Have Moral Direction If God Controls Everything? - by Ahriman - August 22, 2021 at 9:58 am

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